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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. DHH‏Verified account @dhh 1 Apr 2019
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      DHH Retweeted Yaroslav Markin

      This is how it spreads. Google normalizes “web apps” that are really just Chrome apps. Then others follow. We’ve been here before, y’all. Remember IE? Browser hegemony is not a happy place.https://twitter.com/yaroslav/status/1112707497083785216 …

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      Yaroslav Markin @yaroslav
      Here is @FrontApp reacting to Firefox bug report. What a joke. pic.twitter.com/kHaSOaXRNV
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    2. DHH‏Verified account @dhh 1 Apr 2019
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      In fact, it’s alarming how much of Microsoft’s cut-off-the-air-supply playbook on browser dominance that Google is emulating. From browser-specific apps to embrace-n-extend AMP “standards”. It’s sad, but sadder still is when others follow suit.

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    3. Gavin Doughtie‏ @gavindoughtie 1 Apr 2019
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      It seems to me that what’s really going on is developers are choosing to punt on support and testing for less dominant browsers while taking advantage of the latest (standards based) features in Chrome. @slightlylate may have stronger rhetoric. Doesn’t feel like IE6 to me.

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Apr 2019
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      Hey all; friendly Chrome engineer here. I'm one of the people who is both pushing Google teams to broaden their browser support as well as one of the people who is pushing the platform to expand its capabilities. The situation isn't binary.

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Apr 2019
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      The big dissonance (from my perspective) is that the web "won" desktop but has failed (to date) on mobile. Other engines aren't focused on the latter, and are generally under-investing. This grows the distance between engines. See also: https://web-confluence.appspot.com/#!/confluence 

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @gavindoughtie @dhh

      We're investing heavily in Web Platform Tests to make it easier for lagging engines to catch up: https://wpt.fyi  But no amount of cowpath-paving can address other engines fundamentally under-investing, and that's the situation we're in.

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @gavindoughtie @dhh

      And WRT to IE6, I think we can investigate the history with a bit of distance. I was a web developer at the time (and for many years after), and the common story about what went wrong in that era is...missing nuance.

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Apr 2019
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      IE6 was hands down, flat-out, the single best browser available when it was released, which followed IE 4, 5, and 5.5 which were the best browsers when *they* were released. By a long shot. IE6 enabled the Ajax world we all worked hard to build out. Its sins lay elsewhere.

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      ...primarily that MSFT disbanded the team at some point in the early '00s. All the bad stuff we were exposed to by IE6 was, at some level, a consequence of MSFT divesting itself of the web and failing to replace IE6 with something better at the same pace IE 4, 5, and 5.5 were.

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        1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Apr 2019
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          So if you want to trot out the rhetorical "new IE6", maybe we can point that critique at engines that are under-invested and don't allow for real competition...say...Safari for iOS?

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