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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      There's a further issue, though. WebViews aren't meant to be full implementations of the web platform. They're sort of halflings: some core stuff is built-in, but anything that reaches outside of the renderer -- APIs that do something other than CSS/HTML/JS -- is often busted.

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      This makes WebView based in-app "browsers" totally broken from the perspective of the web platform. They are boat-anchors for progress on the web, even when they're built form exactly the same source code.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      But as much as *I* care about that, it's something of a minor point in the grand scheme. The big issue here is privacy. And WebViews are even worse than just letting the app itself sniff and rewrite all the pages you see... ...remember those out-of-date WebViews?

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      Attacks against WebViews aren't just attacks against the pages, they're attacks against *the host app*. Everything you trusted it with.

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      Now, again, OS vendors are doing a ton to try to fix webviews...but the model is just busted. The attack surface area isn't just the web platform, it's every API the host app bolts on or intercepts. Disaster in the making.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      WebViews for non-app content are a choice that apps make. Other, better, more respectful and secure choices are available to them. Apps that insist on not taking you out to your browser when you tap on links, but also do not take advantage of CCT/SafariViewController are *bad*.

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      Cannot stress this enough: the only reason this happens is because apps are jealous of your time. They build these upside-down "browsers" because they don't want you to go to your real default browser. They want to keep you in-app. They *worked* to break this.

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    8. Brad Hill‏ @hillbrad 11 Mar 2019
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      I think you and I are not far apart in how we'd like this to work in an ideal world, but you know that you are grossly oversimplifying the choices and forces at work here. Google Chrome is not a value-neutral, idealized privacy wonderland.

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    9. Brad Hill‏ @hillbrad 11 Mar 2019
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      *Google* gets trusted with, can see, and in many cases monetizes, the same data you are so concerned with in-app browsers having access to. The user is default logged in to Google's array of services and sites, and matched for Google's ads and analytics...

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      Not the week (year? decade?) for that *particular* gif 😔

      11:40 PM - 11 Mar 2019
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