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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      Now, again, OS vendors are doing a ton to try to fix webviews...but the model is just busted. The attack surface area isn't just the web platform, it's every API the host app bolts on or intercepts. Disaster in the making.

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      WebViews for non-app content are a choice that apps make. Other, better, more respectful and secure choices are available to them. Apps that insist on not taking you out to your browser when you tap on links, but also do not take advantage of CCT/SafariViewController are *bad*.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      Cannot stress this enough: the only reason this happens is because apps are jealous of your time. They build these upside-down "browsers" because they don't want you to go to your real default browser. They want to keep you in-app. They *worked* to break this.

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    4. Brad Hill‏ @hillbrad 11 Mar 2019
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      I think you and I are not far apart in how we'd like this to work in an ideal world, but you know that you are grossly oversimplifying the choices and forces at work here. Google Chrome is not a value-neutral, idealized privacy wonderland.

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    5. Brad Hill‏ @hillbrad 11 Mar 2019
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      *Google* gets trusted with, can see, and in many cases monetizes, the same data you are so concerned with in-app browsers having access to. The user is default logged in to Google's array of services and sites, and matched for Google's ads and analytics...

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    6. Brad Hill‏ @hillbrad 11 Mar 2019
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      They get Google's vertical integrations in things like identity and payments and other preferential treatment on areas like search that are key to Google's business. Of course other services want users in their app to have experiences similarly matched to their own ecosystems.

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    7. Brad Hill‏ @hillbrad 11 Mar 2019
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      Or at the very least, don't want to just hand all that over when Google is a direct competitor.

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    8. Brad Hill‏ @hillbrad 11 Mar 2019
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      I take and agree with your points, but your argument would have greater moral force if more people meaningfully exercised a non-default (or even affirmatively chose Chrome) browser in Android.

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    9. Brad Hill‏ @hillbrad 11 Mar 2019
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      More importantly, it would look less like business suicide if the overwhelmingly popular default disabled integrations with Google the business when invoked as a custom tab, or offered plugin points for replacing any or all of the many privileged Google APIs.

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      Have y'all brought any of that up with the CCT team? I'm not aware of bugs filed along those lines. Meanwhile, you're MITMimg user traffic and (if it's "business suicide" to let users browse the web without FB playing big brother), not articulating what you do with the data.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      More to the point: if y'all wanna be a browser, *make a browser*. Stop freeloading and breaking a huge fraction of the platform for developers.

      9:53 PM - 11 Mar 2019
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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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          And *until* then, stop MITM-ing user traffic!!!!

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          At an absolute, bottom-of-the barrel security minimum, CCT out when you detect an out of date WebView. For the love of every thing good, at *least* don't be complicit in that shit.

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