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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      Attacks against WebViews aren't just attacks against the pages, they're attacks against *the host app*. Everything you trusted it with.

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      Now, again, OS vendors are doing a ton to try to fix webviews...but the model is just busted. The attack surface area isn't just the web platform, it's every API the host app bolts on or intercepts. Disaster in the making.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      WebViews for non-app content are a choice that apps make. Other, better, more respectful and secure choices are available to them. Apps that insist on not taking you out to your browser when you tap on links, but also do not take advantage of CCT/SafariViewController are *bad*.

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      Cannot stress this enough: the only reason this happens is because apps are jealous of your time. They build these upside-down "browsers" because they don't want you to go to your real default browser. They want to keep you in-app. They *worked* to break this.

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      The default behavior for navigation intents is to launch your default browser. Many apps felt this wasn't in their interest, so they put your privacy and security at risk. Demanding they adopt CCT is the *least* we can ask.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      So when companies start taking about taking privacy seriously but still default hundreds of millions of users to this dog's breakfast of a broken, privacy violating web experience, don't believe a word of it.

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    7. Zack Argyle‏ @ZackArgyle 11 Mar 2019
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      What’s the difference between trusting Facebook with your browsing experience and trusting Google? Chrome can do far more nefarious things if it wanted to than any app using a webview.

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      Apps that use CCT don't trust Google with anything. CCT is a protocol that respects browser choice. Set FF or Brave or Samsung Internet (etc., etc.) as your browser and no Google code sees any of the traffic.

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      In that context, I guess your question sort of presumes something that isn't true, so non-sequiter...if that makes sense?

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    10. Zack Argyle‏ @ZackArgyle 11 Mar 2019
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      You are always putting your security on the line when browsing the internet, whether it's Safari (can't trust Apple), Chrome (can't trust Google), an IAB (can't trust apps), or other browsers. Is your frustration less about security and more respecting user choice? I get that.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      Maybe you aren't *intending* to engage in whataboutery, so let me bring this back down to choices: app developers make choices and users make choices. Is your argument here that FB's insecure, likely privacy-invading IAB should suborn user's browser choice? Why?

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        1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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          Also, given what I presume we both know about the relative sizes of the security and privacy teams at Real Browsers vs. FB's IAB team...are you actually suggesting there's an equivalence?

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        2. Zack Argyle‏ @ZackArgyle 11 Mar 2019
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          You’re being pretty condescending, which sucks. I agree that respecting user’s choice would be nice (it would absolutely benefit Google), and if there were an alternative to IAB that used the browser choice of the user and gave the same control to apps, I bet they’d use it.

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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          That's literally what CCT is (as previously explained): https://developer.chrome.com/multidevice/android/customtabs …

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