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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      ...for context, that's almost half the number of people with iPhones. The scale of Android is mind-boggling. But even with auto-updating WebView handling (some of) the security aspects, the privacy issue remains. WebViews aren't browsers.

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      Installing a different browser as your default on the system doesn't change the app's WebView implementation. Sure, they can bring their own (super common in CN), but user choice and privacy is undermined. The app *still gets to see everything you do in the WebView*.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      ...every keystroke you type, every password you enter, every site you go to in that session. You're now trusting the parent app with *everything*. You installed Brave or Samsung Internet or Opera or FF as your default browser? Tough. In-app, WebView-based browsers DGAF.

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      ...whereas CCT puts your browsing back in your hands. With CCT, your choices matter, and bowsers can compete on security/privacy/tracking/etc.

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      There's a further issue, though. WebViews aren't meant to be full implementations of the web platform. They're sort of halflings: some core stuff is built-in, but anything that reaches outside of the renderer -- APIs that do something other than CSS/HTML/JS -- is often busted.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      This makes WebView based in-app "browsers" totally broken from the perspective of the web platform. They are boat-anchors for progress on the web, even when they're built form exactly the same source code.

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      But as much as *I* care about that, it's something of a minor point in the grand scheme. The big issue here is privacy. And WebViews are even worse than just letting the app itself sniff and rewrite all the pages you see... ...remember those out-of-date WebViews?

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    8. John Wilander‏ @johnwilander 11 Mar 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate

      What does the Facebook app do on Android? (I don’t have a device to check on.)

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    10. John Wilander‏ @johnwilander 11 Mar 2019
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      Oh, did he already say FB uses a WebView on Android? I read it as general advice/info.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Mar 2019
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      Sorry, mentioned in a slightly roundabout way (tweet ref'd in OP). But yes, they're defaulting users to an in-app "browser" that isn't CCT-based. Only one data-point, but I'll believe their bit on privacy has flipped when they stop taking *unbelievable* risks with web traffic.

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        2. John Wilander‏ @johnwilander 11 Mar 2019
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          You should ask @hillbrad about this. I know he used to have an interest in a full-fledged browser view controller for the FB app’s web browsing.

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        3. Kushal Dave‏ @krave 11 Mar 2019
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          Replying to @johnwilander @slightlylate @hillbrad

          While we're on the topic, any hope of letting iOS users choose which browser provides the CCT-equivalent on iOS? :)

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