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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Feb 2019
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      The crisis of legitimacy is why I've forced our teams to use incubation (modeled on IETF and Raf's TC39 process, which we now take for granted). Going to places where you can more easily meet users *matters* at the early stages.

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Feb 2019
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      Most SDOs aren't comfortable with discussing funding models and believe they have an evergreen model and constituency. It ain't so. @w3c, e.g., is currently suffering for not building a broader coalition (after many, many warnings).

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Feb 2019
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      At the same time, the web (overall) isn't succeeding on mobile. The data I see is more dire than it's ever been. Nobody will go to the web for anything in ~5 years. When it's a pervasively bad time, why would you? Standards are downstream of use.

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    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 2 Feb 2019
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      I'd take this bet.

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 2 Feb 2019
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      The specific form of the bet matters; my wager would look something like: "if Lighthouse performance scores for the median page do not increase by ~50% in the next two years, investment in new mobile-web projects will fall off a cliff by 2024"

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    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 2 Feb 2019
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      "nobody will go to the web for anything" was a much stronger claim. Can we nail down what "fall of a cliff" means?

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 2 Feb 2019
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      Legacy content will always be there (web as bridge to native-only world). Fall will likely take the form of teams not funding mobile web explorations. Unclear impact on frameworks. Action will remain in (shrinking) desktop. There are still a lot of OS/360 engineers, after all.

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    8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 2 Feb 2019
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      Are we finding that desktop is shrinking for business software? Do you consider business software a legacy field?

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    9. Marco Rogers‏ @polotek 2 Feb 2019
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      This is a fascinating discussion. I have a lot of anecdotal data that supports the idea that users don’t care about mobile web. Lever’s main product is desktop web. They also have a mobile web app. Customers ignore it and consistently ask for a native app.

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    10. Marco Rogers‏ @polotek 2 Feb 2019
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      A lot of customers don’t know about the mobile web app. Because they’ve been trained to go to the App Store and search. I don’t think we’ve seen many people talking about how to successfully drive awareness and adoption of mobile web apps. PWA may help.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 2 Feb 2019
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      ...only if they're in the search engine users are looking to -- App Stores. Obviously not the end-state I want, but current requirement.

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        2. Marco Rogers‏ @polotek 2 Feb 2019
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          I wouldn’t hate this idea. I think it’s net positive to blur the line between “native” and web. It serves to erode the walled garden. It feels unlikely that Apple/Google would actually agree to that.

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        3. David Brunelle‏ @davidbrunelle 2 Feb 2019
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          "TWAs" get part of the way there. And MS is listing PWAs in their store (though I don't suspect many users are going there). Putting PWAs in app stores *seems* like a logical next step.

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