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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 31 Jan 2019
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      😢

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    2. isaacs‏Verified account @izs 31 Jan 2019
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      Idk what’s sad about that, really. It’s a short todo list, with extremely stable reference implementations already adopted by a majority of the js community. Seems like low hanging fruit, as cowpaths go.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 31 Jan 2019
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      Hard fork of both JS and HTML syntax and semantics, sans same grammar. As bad as these ratholes ever go. You'd be better off redesigning regex syntax.

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    4. Rob Palmer‏ @robpalmer2 1 Feb 2019
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      This sounds like an anti-Babel message. I feel like such a strong codemnationation of a widely used tool that is being actively encouraged by community leaders deserves a more finessed explanation - maybe a blog post?

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    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 1 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @robpalmer2 @slightlylate and

      I honestly doubt spending cycles telling web developers not to use a core tool in the most popular framework on philosophical grounds is going to do anyone any good. @slightlylate should get back to his regularly scheduled program of berating frameworks for payload size.

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    6. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 1 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @wycats @robpalmer2 and

      I also dislike jsx but I agree that the right approach is to recognize this is doing something people want that isn't satisfied by the platform yet. I prefer Vue.js' approach to templating and it's a lot easier to see something like it in the platform compared to jsx.

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Feb 2019
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      Not saying JSX is something I like or not. I'm saying it isn't plausibly compatible. Also, a bit presumptuous to assume I don't see need or want to address it.

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    8. isaacs‏Verified account @izs 1 Feb 2019
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      Sorry, I did not intend to presume that you aren’t interested in evaluating it, only that I think it’s a worthwhile angle for standards bodies to explore.

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    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 1 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @izs @slightlylate and

      Specifically the ability to embed an HTML-like syntax in JS without the syntactic overhead of tagged template literals?

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    10. isaacs‏Verified account @izs 1 Feb 2019
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      (zooming out of the rest of this convo back to the JSX thing) What's interesting about JSX is a structured html-like way to define a JavaScript class with a dom thing that is automatically updated as properties on the object change. It's not something you'd put in HTML, it's JS.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Feb 2019
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      Replying to @izs @wycats and

      Recall that only compatible proposal for that to date was e4x. Syntax has expanded massively since then, creating many grammar hazards. Also: which DOM types are vended? Does ECMA-262 take a hard, circular dep on faster-revving WebIDL or WHATWG DOM spec?

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        2. Justin Fagnani‏ @justinfagnani 1 Feb 2019
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          The problem with e4x is that it returns live DOM nodes. It's not compatible with the functional, re-evaluate-to-update, module that React has popularized. HTML-in-JS needs to return something that's not *yet* DOM.

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Feb 2019
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          You could return live DOM here too (WC instances). Their lifecycle is composer-defined. JSX folds all assumptions down to React's slowest-of-all-worlds model. Platform would need diversity (alarm template tagging)

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