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    1. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 29 Jan 2019
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      The process used to ratify ESM is no longer the process. Even by current TC39 standards this was a mistake.

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 30 Jan 2019
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      TC39 is ground-zero for a lot of process meta-argument, but this is a pretty bad entry to that pantheon. Sync `require()` was never going to fly on the client, nor were extra lookups for indexes. We learned a(and walked back) these mistakes in '04-'08. Why repeat?

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    3. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 30 Jan 2019
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      I don’t think there was ever a serious argument made that the browser should adopt a synchronous lookup mechanism for modules. Nor was anyone in the actual Node.js project engaged enough with TC39 to make such an argument.

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    4. Tom Dale‏ @tomdale 30 Jan 2019
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      As a fly on the wall during that period: @wycats and @littlecalculist considered Node/browser interop a top priority and tried (to the best of their abilities) to reach out. There was quite a bit of anti-TC39 sentiment at the time, and most feedback was "just use Node modules."

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    5. Rick Waldron‏ @rwaldron 31 Jan 2019
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      As I recall, they worked with @izs quite a bit

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    6. isaacs‏Verified account @izs 31 Jan 2019
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      The anti-TC39 sentiment was never mine. I have had frustrations with it as with most committees, but that’s normal. A vocal minority of node users were assumed by some to speak for the project (1 of my frustrations). However, I believe esm is very good, if still incomplete…

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    7. isaacs‏Verified account @izs 31 Jan 2019
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      Node has dropped the ball with mjs and --experimental-modules, but that ball can still be picked up. The “esm” module is an implementation that does the right thing for both platforms. What’s remaining is to implement top level module identifiers (ie, packages) in a browser…

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    8. isaacs‏Verified account @izs 31 Jan 2019
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      And until then, we’re going to be relying on babel. Which, honestly, is fine, because everyone is using jsx anyway, which requires transpilation.

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 31 Jan 2019
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      😢

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    10. isaacs‏Verified account @izs 31 Jan 2019
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      Idk what’s sad about that, really. It’s a short todo list, with extremely stable reference implementations already adopted by a majority of the js community. Seems like low hanging fruit, as cowpaths go.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 31 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @izs @rwaldron and

      Hard fork of both JS and HTML syntax and semantics, sans same grammar. As bad as these ratholes ever go. You'd be better off redesigning regex syntax.

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        2. Rob Palmer‏ @robpalmer2 1 Feb 2019
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          This sounds like an anti-Babel message. I feel like such a strong codemnationation of a widely used tool that is being actively encouraged by community leaders deserves a more finessed explanation - maybe a blog post?

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 1 Feb 2019
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          I honestly doubt spending cycles telling web developers not to use a core tool in the most popular framework on philosophical grounds is going to do anyone any good. @slightlylate should get back to his regularly scheduled program of berating frameworks for payload size.

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        2. isaacs‏Verified account @izs 1 Feb 2019
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          I don’t think that’s a fair criticism of jsx. It’s an extension to js only. It’s worth interrogating why it’s so popular, and why template functions don’t meet the same needs.

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Feb 2019
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          It's not an extension, certainly not a compatible one. It doesn't fit in the grammar or syntax.

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        1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 1 Feb 2019
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          As much as I'm a competitor to JSX, and don't like this approach, I think this view is fairly disconnected from web development practice. JSX is as much a "hard fork" of JS as the web platform is (which sometimes and historically gets incompatible extensions)

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