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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Jake Archibald‏ @jaffathecake 14 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @ElliottZ and

      This was in my navigation transition proposalhttps://github.com/jakearchibald/navigation-transitions/blob/master/README.md …

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    2. Elliott Sprehn‏ @ElliottZ 14 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @jaffathecake @slightlylate and

      Very interesting indeed. How do I cancel the navigation to make it into a pushState instead?

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    3. Elliott Sprehn‏ @ElliottZ 14 Oct 2018
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      I think what I don't understand about this proposal is it's focused on document swaps, but unless you're going cross origin you want to avoid document swaps at all costs. All Workers die, your framework reloads, CEs are registered again, we must recalculate style the new doc.

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    4. Jake Archibald‏ @jaffathecake 14 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @ElliottZ @slightlylate and

      Few pages have workers. Styles are going to majorly change anyway. Frameworks are *added* to do simple transitions.

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    5. Malte Ubl‏Verified account @cramforce 14 Oct 2018
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      A clear case for this GIF. Transitions are a use case that motivate SPAs, but even multi page apps need pushState for things like lightboxes. @jaffathecake since portals have momentum, please make sure they cover the same origin transition use case!pic.twitter.com/1VQiZpeGee

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 14 Oct 2018
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      I worry we designed portals wrong for these cases.

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    7. Surma‏ @DasSurma 14 Oct 2018
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      #itsNotTooLate

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    8. Malte Ubl‏Verified account @cramforce 14 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @DasSurma @slightlylate and

      In this case it is definitely not too late. Although my superstition is that "putting same origin transition in scope for your web feature is the most certain way to make sure it never ships."

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 14 Oct 2018
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      Think of it as "views". We have a mechanism for views (iframes) this is to heavyweight and disjoint to handle same-origin cases. Portals could be good for this but aren't today AFAICT. How to drive transition from worklet & clobber original document is crux of issue.

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    10. Malte Ubl‏Verified account @cramforce 14 Oct 2018
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      @AliGTheOtherOne's idea was that portals are good for transitions if the portal could have a transparent background color. I think I agree but needs some prototyping. The technology that drives the transition is independent of that.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 14 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @cramforce @DasSurma and

      They have to at least be designed to work together as you have to provide a context to drive from so that transitions make visual sense

      8:33 AM - 14 Oct 2018
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        2. Surma‏ @DasSurma 14 Oct 2018
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          The hero transition is the one I keep bringing up as the lithmus test (see https://pwp.dassur.ma/ ). We have ideas for a postMessage()-based solution, but I honestly think there’s a better DX to be found.

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        3. Elliott Sprehn‏ @ElliottZ 14 Oct 2018
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          Portals are interesting but I don't want to document swap, lots of expensive data structures are attached to a document. Also rebuilding the whole app state (CE, Workers, fetching data etc.) on each view transition is very costly.

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