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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Dan Abramov‏ @dan_abramov 11 Sep 2018
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      If I look at the source (in Sources pane) then what I'm seeing seems related to authentication, forms, making claims, etc. So if anything I think the goal was to make the logged-in experience have less latency from page reloads. Of course should’ve been code split from main page.

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Sep 2018
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      "less latency from page reloads" would be preloading cacheable assets at low priority (e.g., a <link rel="preload"> or a SW install phase), not running code on pages that don't use them.

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    3. Dan Abramov‏ @dan_abramov 11 Sep 2018
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      Would your experience of using Twitter improve if Twitter reloaded the page on every click? That seems to be your suggestion. I understand you re: static pages not needing React perfectly well. I agree with it. But clearly the developers didn’t use React “for a dropdown”.

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    4. Dan Abramov‏ @dan_abramov 11 Sep 2018
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      My point is that React was used for a dynamic part that seems to appear when you sign in. It would be better to not load that part until you actually do — and there’s nothing stopping them from implementing this with React.

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    5. Dan Abramov‏ @dan_abramov 11 Sep 2018
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      I think it’s a bit disingenuous to claim React makes the overall experience worse in this case since we don’t actually know what the dynamic part is like. It’s quite likely that slower initial load might be worth the wins in interaction latency _for dynamic parts_. Not home page.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Sep 2018
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      It's not React per-sae, it's *cultural* React (and other frameworks) that leave developers like this drowning in a sea of incidental complexity without the tools they need to manage the responsibilities they've (often unknowingly) bitten off by taking the reigns with JS.

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Sep 2018
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      The cause here isn't the view framework, it's the lack of discipline and constraint that is now nearly always co-incident with framework adoption.

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    8. Dan Abramov‏ @dan_abramov 11 Sep 2018
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      Can we say cultural-Polymer-inspired once in a while — just so it doesn't look like you're always taking stabs at React when you mean "client side code"?

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Sep 2018
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      Sure.

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    10. Dan Abramov‏ @dan_abramov 11 Sep 2018
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      Thanks 🤗 This might help you reach the very people you’re trying to educate. It’s difficult for somebody who’s invested in React because it solves some of their problems to really hear your message because they mostly hear “React is bad” and not “use/avoid these techniques”.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Sep 2018
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      FWIW, the http://code.gov  disaster I embedded the video of in the blog post is an Angular joint. I know you feel called out, but I'm not singling React out in a way that's more frequent than its use.

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