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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Justin Ribeiro‏ @justinribeiro 11 Sep 2018
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      "Shifting the conversation away from actual user experiences to team-level advantages enables a culture in which the folks who receive focus and attention are developers, rather than end-users or the business." Brilliant spot on piece by @slightlylate. https://infrequently.org/2018/09/the-developer-experience-bait-and-switch/ …

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    2. Richard‏ @rchrdnsh 11 Sep 2018
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      I'm curious then, what is SSR actually doing, if it's not helping that much. From what I understand, making a site using framework/toolchain/coolthing X and then compiling it down to HTML, CSS and a little JS is what's going on right now...is this incorrect?

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    3. Richard‏ @rchrdnsh 11 Sep 2018
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      or is this not the case? I personally find that improving DX, especially for someone like me who is heavily, ridiculously, unbelievably resource/knowledge/experience constrained allows me to then think more about a better UX because each new feature is easier to make.

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    4. Richard‏ @rchrdnsh 11 Sep 2018
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      but I certainly don't want t slow down any user of something I make due to too much JS...I just really don't even know the first thing about stack traces or how to measure any of this stuff at all or how to make anything of a level of code complexity beyond my skill level.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 11 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @rchrdnsh @justinribeiro

      A simple rule of thumb is that SSR is a good idea _only when you don't also send JS to the client_. In all other cases, it's hugely contended. That is, if you keep your framework on the server, you can't do too much damage.

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        2. Justin Ribeiro‏ @justinribeiro 11 Sep 2018
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          That's where I see a many fail when using SSR; eg rendering large view state in the init resp and yet still needing that JS to make it work. Devs perceive this will result in gains (common trope, SSR = faster) when that's just not the case.😐

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        3. Richard‏ @rchrdnsh 11 Sep 2018
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          hmmm...is there a performant way to do both? I want to provide quickly rendered content with routing and animated transitions and all the other bells and whistles while also making my app the smallest it could possibly be...I think this is the area I just don't understand 😕

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          hmmmmm...so sending enough JS for your app, in the appropriate PRPL doses, is chill, just leave the framework at home, so as not to push another mini OS on top of the browser, on top of the OS.

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