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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Dan Abramov‏ @dan_abramov 4 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @AdamRackis @slightlylate @acemarke

      No, @slightlylate means that if you serialize an object with a lot of stuff in it, you'll get a serialized object with a lot of stuff in it.

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    2. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 4 Sep 2018
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      So basically a Redux list with hundreds of items in it server-side renders to a crap-ton of html? Please tell me I'm missing something - how is Redux any worse than literally any other SSR solution that creates the same ui / html?

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 4 Sep 2018
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      Because it repeats itself and then some; usually to a multiple of the size of the generated DOM. You're sending a LOT more than what's displayed in most of the sites I've seen.

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    4. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 4 Sep 2018
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      Ah ok—I'm tracking now. *Of course* Redux needs the `window.__PRELOADED_STATE__` - my bad for not thinking of that. Alex - roughly what was the ratio of the html to the preloaded object? I can't imagine the serialized js object was more than a fourth the size of the full html?

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 4 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @AdamRackis @dan_abramov @acemarke

      I'm often seeing 2x the inline'd Redux vs. HTML/CSS. It's dramatically bad.

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    6. Mark Erikson‏ @acemarke 4 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @AdamRackis @dan_abramov

      And what sort of data is this site fetching? Are they querying for lots of rows from a DB and pre-rendering them all on the server, or something like that? I've never dealt with SSR myself, but as Adam said, I'm not sure how this would be different for any other CSR/SSR toolkit

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    7. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 4 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @acemarke @slightlylate @dan_abramov

      Now I'm curious how Vue does SSR. Surely *it* needs a way to send over the serialized state so the client JS can hydrate and start up, right?

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 4 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @AdamRackis @acemarke @dan_abramov

      I'm sure all these solutions do something roughly similar. I'm just not seeing as many Vue sites get so heavy that teams resort to SSR as a "silver bullet" in the first place.

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    9. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 4 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @acemarke @dan_abramov

      Oh I'm sure if Vue ever gets as popular / mainstream as React, you'll see all sorts of shitty apps written in it.

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    10. Dan Abramov‏ @dan_abramov 4 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @AdamRackis @slightlylate @acemarke

      I think in general when @slightlylate tweets about React you can substitute it with “client-side rendering” 🙂

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 4 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @dan_abramov @AdamRackis @acemarke

      Hard to disentangle poor outcomes in client-side-rendering-land from poor outcomes in React-land. Lots of factors, including teams that know what they're doing avoiding heavyweight FWs and React dominating new investment in general.

      6:41 PM - 4 Sep 2018
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