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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 4 Sep 2018
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      We need to talk about Redux and "SSR". Just saw second (large, commercial) site sending > 100/500K (zipped/unzipped) of HTML payload *this week*. When it takes 3-5x the size of a PNG screenshot of your AFT content to "inline" your "critical" HTML/JS/CSS, something's broken.

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    2. Dan Abramov‏ @dan_abramov 4 Sep 2018
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      Wild. I'd like to point out that many apps wouldn't do SSR at all if it was significantly more complicated than what Redux offered. And that if you don't care about performance and do basic profiling, you can run any tool into the ground. But it's fair criticism of the model.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 4 Sep 2018
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      Teams aren't getting warnings from their tools that these outcome are bad. These apps are -- to your eyes and mine -- prototypes that escaped the lab. And nobody is telling them they aren't production-quality.

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    4. Sean Thomas Larkin 廖肖恩‏ @TheLarkInn 4 Sep 2018
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      As some of us toolings have learned the hard way: many people don't care or won't prioritize it until later. So either they go for the opt-out on annoying messages or ignoring the warning signs.

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 4 Sep 2018
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      Just not sending <script> tags would solve most of hits.

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    6. Sean Thomas Larkin 廖肖恩‏ @TheLarkInn 4 Sep 2018
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      Well that would rely on people not caring about their tooling and technical decisions. Whether we believe its good or not, using a cozy FW > Deciding if you even need JS. (Which sure many don't).

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    7. Sean Thomas Larkin 廖肖恩‏ @TheLarkInn 4 Sep 2018
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      I for one love writing JavaScript, and love that I can be modular, compositional, and have a rich ecosystem of solutions, tools, and DX at my fingertips. Not shipping <script> robs me of that. (Again whether I agree with that or not is another story).

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 4 Sep 2018
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      I'm just saying you can afford tons of script on the server where bandwidth, compute, and latency fall within a narrow (known) band. You can afford much less on the client. So having all that JS is fine...on the server.

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        1. Sean Thomas Larkin 廖肖恩‏ @TheLarkInn 4 Sep 2018
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          Understood. Even though I hate saying it, a lot of developers find even this unacceptable, for the same reasons. :/

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