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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 17 Jul 2018
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      I'm guilty of this too (Sapper serializes preloaded data — equivalent to getInitialProps in Next.js — and includes it to avoid `preload` running on both server and client). Are you saying that it'd be better to fetch that same 300kb asyncly even if TTI suffers as a result?

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Jul 2018
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      Not exactly... This approach can be great in moderation; the problem is over-inclusion in the startup snapshot. Too much data, too little of it used. Delay load what isn't in the critical path.

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    3. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 17 Jul 2018
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      tricky problem to solve at the tooling level I suppose. If you're streaming the HTML response, and the 300kb is inlined at the bottom of the page, does that sufficiently mitigate the problem?

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    4. Malte Ubl‏Verified account @cramforce 17 Jul 2018
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      Bottom > start. Ideally each component has it’s own trailer of data that you can flush before waiting for more data. Assuming your system even supports incremental flushing of responses. React-ish component systems typically don't allow for this.

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Jul 2018
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      Right, and I'm mostly seeing this in React apps where the model bootstrap is used to re-generate a bunch of already functional DOM. This gives me many feels.

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    6. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 17 Jul 2018
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      yeah, it's wasteful. i've found it quite hard to think up general solutions to hydrating server-rendered DOM that don't involve duplicating stuff between markup and data. v interested in any examples you can share

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Jul 2018
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      The CS-ish solution would be flyweight components that only really hydrate (or re-create) when processing input events.

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Jul 2018
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      A lazier solution would be to only serialize data which was consumed in component generation for SSR and leave stubs for the rest.

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Jul 2018
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      ...but these apps also seem to be bundling all components, not just those used on the route/page, so IDK. "DX" has apparently liberated minds from the confines of mere physics.

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    10. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 17 Jul 2018
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      well *that* problem at least is easily solved

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Jul 2018
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      ...once your acknowledge it's an issue. The Cult of DX preaches that in the fullness of time, the path to (en)lightenment will be baked into your existing tools without any effort or understanding on your part.

      7:24 AM - 17 Jul 2018
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        1. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 17 Jul 2018
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          working on it

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