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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 2 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @AdamRackis @addyosmani and

      Webpack has a parse tree of any globals you've used. Come on, this is way easier to implement than most of the stuff people do already that we take for granted with tools.

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    2. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 2 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @mikeal @addyosmani and

      @wSokra is auto-polyfilling something that's been discussed / on the roadmap?

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    3. Tobias Koppers‏ @wSokra 2 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @AdamRackis @mikeal and

      http://new.babeljs.io/docs/en/next/babel-preset-env.html#usebuiltins-usage …

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    4. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 2 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @wSokra @mikeal and

      Jesus there really is no excuse at this point

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    5. Florian Reuschel‏ @Loilo92 2 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @AdamRackis @wSokra and

      FWIW if I'm not mistaken this does not fix the problem of shipping polyfills to browsers that don't need them. If your environment includes IE 11 (which it almost always does when you work on a website rather than a web app), all the polyfills will be shipped to Chrome as well.

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    6. Florian Reuschel‏ @Loilo92 2 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @Loilo92 @AdamRackis and

      However I don't know if solving this is even the scope of Babel. Some bundler like webpack would still need to get usage data from Babel, compiling a list of needed polyfills and then put them in various groups, basically depending on user agent strings.

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    7. Florian Reuschel‏ @Loilo92 2 Jul 2018
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      That's basically why we're using @polyfillio. If you're concerned about an outage on their site, you could still self-host the project. To be really performant though, you'd still need to know exactly which polyfills you need etc etc. It's really exhausting work.

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    8. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 2 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @Loilo92 @wSokra and

      You're right, of course. But it's also worth pointing out that even without webpack, Babel, etc, this problem is solved pretty easily with a tiny bit of code and effort, plus any generic, off-the-shelf script loader.pic.twitter.com/E7VZGRc6DW

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 2 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @AdamRackis @Loilo92 and

      The "it's so easy!" view is falsified by near-total global failure. It's not working. JS is not working.

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    10. Tim Kevin Oxley‏ @timkevinoxley 2 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate

      Can you elaborate a little more on "total global failure" and "JS is not working"? Is it JS, or is it the DOM?

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 2 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @timkevinoxley @secoif

      The approach that says "I have a problem, NPM will solve it!" is failing everyone; users, businesses, and developers

      1:54 PM - 2 Jul 2018
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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 2 Jul 2018
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          Replying to @slightlylate @secoif

          It's enabled by a lack of tools that tell you when it isn't working and why, for which I take my share of the blame. @googlechrome & @ChromiumDev need to do better.

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        3. Tim Kevin Oxley‏ @timkevinoxley 2 Jul 2018
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          I agree there are issues though the connection between Chrome, npm and "total failure" is still a bit vague to me. Is there a tech stack or set of tooling doing something comparable to web tech while setting a good example?

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