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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Jun 2018
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    Alex Russell Retweeted Brad Frost

    Brad makes an important point here: JSX is a proprietary language which is *not* on a trajectory to standardisation. Investing in it means taking on that toolchain *forever*.https://twitter.com/brad_frost/status/1002586347448815616 …

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    Brad Frost @brad_frost
    ✎ I wrote some more thoughts about @sarah_edo's article and how it all relates to my struggle with React. http://bradfrost.com/blog/link/replacing-jquery-with-vue-js-no-build-step-necessary/ …
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      2. Ben Lesh‏ @BenLesh 1 Jun 2018
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        Abstractions like JSX or other templating languages are a actually commitment to building on top of the standardized APIs, which we have been given no choice but to leverage... *forever*. 🤷‍♂️ Abstractions are fine. The biggest struggle is keeping the cost down.

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      3. Ben Lesh‏ @BenLesh 1 Jun 2018
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        There's always been this struggle, where the dev masses seem to find huge benefits to abstractions on top of standardized APIs, but the abstractions rarely make it to a standards trajectory. So we're stuck with the hard job of balancing developer ergonomics and app size. 🤷‍♂️

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      2. Brian Birtles‏ @brianskold 3 Jun 2018
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        How is it forever? Rewriting JSX as something else seems like much less work than porting your tests from say Jest to Mocha, or rewriting components in TypeScript, i.e. the sort of thing frontend devs do all the time.

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      3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 3 Jun 2018
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        I don't understand the modern world, apparently. If I'd told managers in my previous jobs that we'd be continually rewriting everything -- not to work better but to dig ourselves out of proprietary tech I was currently investing them in -- we'd have had...an issue.

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      2. Damian Nicholson‏ @damian 1 Jun 2018
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        Replying to @slightlylate

        Yes but it’s output / behaviour after a compile step is standard. How is this any different to something like Dart?

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      3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Jun 2018
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        Dart has a VM that supports it natively (e.g., for Flutter) and a standards effort for it's language.

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      2. Connor E‏ @Connorelsea 1 Jun 2018
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        Why so much shady react hate all the god damn time

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      3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Jun 2018
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        Replying to @Connorelsea

        1.) it's not hate. I said a thing I believe to be true. Do you dispute the assertion that JSX is not a standard nor on a standards trajectory? 2.) I care about outcomes. That's partially contextual. In a mobile world, we can't afford some abstractions we can afford on desktop.

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      2. Kjartan Rekdal Müller‏ @kjartanmuller 1 Jun 2018
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        Why not just dig up good old e4x😂

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      3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Jun 2018
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        Replying to @kjartanmuller

        It could work! There were 2 implementations from Mozilla back in The Day (TM), although the ES grammar has gotten significantly more complex since the ES3 days.

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