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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Aaron McLeod‏ @agmcleod 29 May 2018
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      ah yeah! I kinda forgot about that lol. I should have a look to see how that functions. I’m actually pretty happy with webpack, i find it fairly reliable for me and my workflow. But eventually it’ll become less useful than built in browser support. Doesn’t hurt to get out ahead

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    2. xnoɹǝʃ uɐıɹq‏ @brianleroux 29 May 2018
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      They only landed in Firefox a couple of weeks ago so it's a pretty fresh win. :)

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    3. Frédéric Falliere‏ @marcelfalliere 29 May 2018
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      Webpack+HMR === megawin for my dev workflow. Webpack as a devtool will stay for a long time imho. Even with vanilla.

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    4. xnoɹǝʃ uɐıɹq‏ @brianleroux 29 May 2018
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      I agree! I'm suggesting folks give the vanilla platform a chance before adopting these tools. You might be surprised!

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 29 May 2018
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      Replying to @brianleroux @marcelfalliere @agmcleod

      WC are landing in FF this year too; already in Chrome, Opera, UC, Samsung Internet, and Safari. You only need polyfills for FF (for a little while) and Edge/IE.

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    6. Marius Gundersen‏ @GundersenMarius 29 May 2018
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      Problem with webComponents is lack of server side rendering

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 29 May 2018
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      Replying to @GundersenMarius @brianleroux and

      https://github.com/GoogleChrome/rendertron …

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    8. Marius Gundersen‏ @GundersenMarius 29 May 2018
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      Replying to @slightlylate @brianleroux and

      Is this good enough performance for a production website? It seems to be aimed at bots, I'm rendering server side for humans

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 29 May 2018
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      Replying to @GundersenMarius @brianleroux and

      If you're alluding to this broke "SSR" pattern, don't do that. Just ship less JS.

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    10. Marius Gundersen‏ @GundersenMarius 29 May 2018
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      I don't know what the broke SSR pattern is. I want to render server side to have fast initial paint an then apply js as quick as possible and lazily. Server side rendering doesn't necessarily mean js

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 29 May 2018
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      Replying to @GundersenMarius @brianleroux and

      Don't do that. What I see in traces is slow initial paints from lack of flushing and too much late-loaded JS, delaying TTI and delivering effectively broken experiences. You've been sold a bill of goods.

      7:44 AM - 29 May 2018
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        2. Marius Gundersen‏ @GundersenMarius 29 May 2018
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          I think we are talking about different things. Do you have an article or something about these traces and what causes slow paints?

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 29 May 2018
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          Paint is the wrong metric. Rendered but unusable content is...well, unusable. The metric to optimise for is Time-to-Interactive (which, for RUM, is FID). See:https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2018/05/first-input-delay …

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