Look I'm all for this *but it doesn't work against propaganda*
@slatestarcodex you might want steelmanning, charity, good faith, but we don't live in that world anymore than we live in a world where material needs are met and discrimination is gone.http://slatestarcodex.com/2018/05/08/varieties-of-argumentative-experience/ …
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@slatestarcodex, rationalists, EA, free speechers, less wrong need to ask themselves: are you actually involved in the struggle for a better world? Or are you debating fictional utopias where existing power and politics don't exist?1 reply 0 retweets 1 likeShow this thread -
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1) I like your metaphor, because it seems clear to me that we should act to promote a world where more material worlds are met and there's less discrimination, even though it's hard and we may never succeed completely. I think the same is true here.
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2) I understand you're probably gesturing at a broader point, which is that good discourse isn't useful at all until we get that world. I disagree, and I've written a little about why at http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/02/23/in-favor-of-niceness-community-and-civilization/ … andhttp://slatestarcodex.com/2017/03/24/guided-by-the-beauty-of-our-weapons/ …
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I'm with you on this, it's both/and. Just have seen too often the attitude that we can discourse our way to the better material world. Policy wonks, rationalists, EAers occasionally espouse this view or act as if it's true.
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I agree with you on this and have warned against this myself - seehttp://slatestarcodex.com/2018/01/24/conflict-vs-mistake/ …
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That was a great piece of writing!
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