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Cite @Noahpinion's rule, now widely heard of, and advise people to assume Vox is useless.https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/calling-literatures-from-the-vasty-deep/ …
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How does this relate to Noah's rule?
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I think you can cite an analogue of Noah's point: if you've investigated and dismissed 2 representative articles, assume it's all garbage.
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But many excellent articles making IQ-partly-nonhereditary point. Neither obvious Murray's right, nor does Murray say 100% is genetic.
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If someone gave me the two best articles arguing for nonhereditary IQ differences, I would expect them to be excellent.
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That's not the hypothesis being discussed, though. To refute the claim of a hereditary IQ differences, you'd need to, well, refute it.
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I mean, you can never prove a negative. I think "IQ differences are often nonhereditary, here's some reasons these might be" is enough.
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You should know this! Bayesian evidence against the hypothesis is easy - if the hypothesis is specified clearly. Hereditary>0 isn't a claim
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Straight falsehood in the article about what Sam Harris said in the podcast: (Quote from the article, and actual quote from the podcast.)pic.twitter.com/PgvYLzmlAX
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I'm surprised you lose reputation... how do you reckon?
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And anyone whose mind could by changed by SSC can read the Vox piece and arrive at the same conclusion. All the evidence is right there.
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As I see it, their most important point seems to be decreasing inter racial differences. But this also needs discussing.
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Forget race - any genes-based argument for almost anything (forget IQ) faces huge hurdles/censorship - a bad climate for academic debate.
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I feel like people argue against this like if Murray is right then racism is justified, and I don't get that at all.
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I find all your articles extremely interesting. Some of the best material I've ever seen.
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I find it helpful simply to know your opinion here.
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Sorry. Was thinking more about recent hbd ban than your history with Vox. Honestly lost on where all parties stand on this. I was desperate.
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Horrifying assumption in the piece is that if Murray is true, government ought to do something with the information.
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Unless you think that race is genetically determined you cannot reach Murray's conclusions about IQ and race.
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You can reach other conclusions about IQ and race, but not Murray's, since Murray's require believing in race as a genetic construct.
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