@slatestarcodex the real point is that even liberals don't think race is "just a social construct" even though they say things like that
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@HbdNrx It can be a social construct but non-arbitrary. "Being the President" is social/non-genetic, but Obama has a stronger claim than I. -
@slatestarcodex nobody says "being the president is just a social construct" as a way to imply that the presidency doesn't exist, though -
@HbdNrx Something can exist as a social construct and matter a lot socially (as liberals admit race does). -
@slatestarcodex actual prog position when they say that is really that there are no non-superficial biological differences between races -
@HbdNrx Prog position is black identity comes from being raised black and treated as black for whole life. You can't just dye your hair.
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@slatestarcodex the other point is that black privilege is real (due to affirmative action and black institutions), while white priv. isn't -
@HbdNrx Sure glad "we can be inconsistent in our own favor if we believe the other side has real privilege" can never misfire spectacularly! -
@slatestarcodex some things more objective than others.Affirmative action is a well known, real policy.The white priv stuff is all handwavng -
@HbdNrx I am arguing that race really exists, even as a social construct, even apart from its biological meaning.
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@slatestarcodex the cognitive dissonance is that those privileges (eg MM's protected classes) are not supposed to exist. -
@svigalae I think everyone agrees affirmative action exists / is a nice thing to have. Debate over whether it balances other disadvantages. -
@slatestarcodex@svigalae Progs resort to the vague and misleading concept of privilege to "prove" those disadvantages exist. -
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@slatestarcodex@svigalae Even if we can rely on the implicit association results and assume that these are caused by real bias, -
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@slatestarcodex@svigalae the big picture is that IQ explains the outcome differences far better than bias. -
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@slatestarcodex@svigalae in fact, it looks like blacks make more money than you would expect based on IQ. http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/robinhood.htm
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@slatestarcodex the correct analogy isn't Jenner, it's that transgender MMA fighter. give a white woman those privileges, it's an insta-win. -
@svigalae Yes, I expect that even supporters of trans rights will back away from saying they should be able to participate in female sports.
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@slatestarcodex The point that tribal/coalition politics, not principle, is driving attitudes towards transgender -
@dansblog1 Howso? Political case should be symmetrical re: women and blacks, but leftist response is asymmetrical. Why is this advantageous? -
@slatestarcodex Demanding acceptance of 1) transgender hurts traditionalists 2) transracial hurts blacks Tribes' positions follow
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