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@ProtestManager Victims should use deadly force to defend selves as last resort. Still best if doesn't have to happen, normal process
.@slatestarcodex Isaac Asimov: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent Us: That's because the competent use it as soon as it's proper
.@slatestarcodex Or: what's best is if no one ever tries to rob, rape, or murder anyone. Second best is they're stopped, however necessary
Thanks for discussion @slatestarcodex it's led me to some interesting thoughts. Here they are:
.@slatestarcodex
1: The purpose of a justice system is to punish wrongdoers, and protect the innocent
@ProtestManager @slatestarcodex The purpose of a justice system is to provide disincentives for wrongdoing & isolate criminals from society
.@noamsml @slatestarcodex “disincentives” == punishment, “wrongdoing” -> done by guilty, stop it to protect the innocent
.@slatestarcodex
2: The purpose of a political system is to enable people with different views to live together in peace
.@slatestarcodex Trials R 1 way to make sure the guilty get punished. But today they're far more focused on formalism than on actual justice
.@slatestarcodex I say that because, for example, a system that was focused on justice wouldn't have the current exclusionary rules
.@slatestarcodex A political system, OTOH, lives and dies by formalism. The people do not agree on what is right, so need rules for who wins
.@slatestarcodex For us in the Red Tribe, Gruber and #ObamaCare is the moral equivalent of a prosecutor / cop who hides exculpatory (cont)
.@slatestarcodex evidence or suborns perjury in order order to "get" someone he "knows" is "dirty". IOW, inexcusable and evil.
.@slatestarcodex You don't get to lie, cheat, and / or steal in order to win in politics, doing so destroys the purpose of the system
.@slatestarcodex OTOH, in the criminal justice system a victim who shoots his attacker is prefect justice. The guilty is punished (cont)
.@slatestarcodex the innocent is saved.
The Blue Tribe OTOH @slatestarcodex seems to see things the opposite way. In criminal justice you want formalism over everything else
In politics OTOH @slatestarcodex the Blue Tribe seems to believe they have a monopoly on morality, thus anything to win is acceptable.
Then @slatestarcodex there's the whole "Living Constitution" = "Con means whatever 5 left wing judges say it means" dodge, vs written one
That, at least @slatestarcodex is how it appears from over here. How do you see it?
@ProtestManager Reply too long for Twitter, posted at http://pastebin.com/JG4aFUWz
I’ve obviously not communicated my thoughts clearly enough @slatestarcodex so, let me try again.
1: I do not think police, prosecutors cont
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