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Assistant prof @UAlbanyCEHC. US anti-govt extremism, violence, gun activism. Other things that catch my eye.

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    1. Sam Jackson‏ @sjacks26 Apr 27
      Replying to @JosephKYoung @intelwire

      Once upon a time I wrote a (not very good) master's thesis on what I called "symbolic violence," meaning that the victim of violence was a symbol of a larger target.

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    2. 𝙅.𝙈. 𝘽𝙀𝙍𝙂𝙀𝙍‏Verified account @intelwire Apr 27
      Replying to @sjacks26 @JosephKYoung

      The separation of victim and audience is good for some cases, but less good for other cases. Terrorism can be distinguished somewhat by its indirection, meaning destroying target isn't the primary strategic objective.

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    3. 𝙅.𝙈. 𝘽𝙀𝙍𝙂𝙀𝙍‏Verified account @intelwire Apr 27
      Replying to @intelwire @sjacks26 @JosephKYoung

      Even then you get into some fuzziness, but genocide, for instance, most often seeks to annihilate the out group as its primary goal, although it may have a secondary performative goal.

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    4. Sam Jackson‏ @sjacks26 Apr 28
      Replying to @intelwire @JosephKYoung

      Yeah, I seem to remember making an argument that there's a diff btwn attacking someone *because* they're a member of a group vs attacking someone as a representative of the same group.

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    5. 𝙅.𝙈. 𝘽𝙀𝙍𝙂𝙀𝙍‏Verified account @intelwire Apr 28
      Replying to @sjacks26 @JosephKYoung

      But extremist terrorists don't always pick victims based on their group status. Often, yes, but often enough not that it's probably not a great demarcation point.

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    6. 𝙅.𝙈. 𝘽𝙀𝙍𝙂𝙀𝙍‏Verified account @intelwire Apr 28
      Replying to @intelwire @sjacks26 @JosephKYoung

      If I had to make a sound bite definition, I'd say the different is strategic intent. Hate crimes as we usually understand them tend to be not primarily strategic, even when they're extremist.

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    7. Joseph K. Young‏ @JosephKYoung Apr 28
      Replying to @intelwire @sjacks26

      Agreed. Which is why Toronto is a tough case to lump as terror.

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    8. 𝙅.𝙈. 𝘽𝙀𝙍𝙂𝙀𝙍‏Verified account @intelwire Apr 28
      Replying to @JosephKYoung @sjacks26

      Except that his statement clearly indicates the attack is too be seen as sparking a rebellion. To me, that's unambiguous. Almost any statement meant to be found and adopting a cause puts it in the box for me.

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    9. 𝙅.𝙈. 𝘽𝙀𝙍𝙂𝙀𝙍‏Verified account @intelwire Apr 28
      Replying to @intelwire @JosephKYoung @sjacks26

      The Byrd statement wasn't necessarily meant to be found which is why I'm more of pen to debate there.

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    10. 𝙅.𝙈. 𝘽𝙀𝙍𝙂𝙀𝙍‏Verified account @intelwire Apr 28
      Replying to @intelwire @JosephKYoung @sjacks26

      Also I think we can agree a hate crime needs to be clearly targeted on an out-group; hard to do that cleanly in a vehicular attack not focused on an out-group venue (like in Birmingham).

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      Sam Jackson‏ @sjacks26 Apr 28
      Replying to @intelwire @JosephKYoung

      Just to play devil's advocate, isn't the out-group for "incels" something like everyone who's not an incel?

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        2. Joseph K. Young‏ @JosephKYoung Apr 28
          Replying to @sjacks26 @intelwire

          Wouldn’t just be pretty women? Or at least unattainable ones?

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        3. Sam Jackson‏ @sjacks26 Apr 28
          Replying to @JosephKYoung @intelwire

          Also guys who can "get" those women, at least if Elliot Rogers is the model incel.

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        4. JJ MacNab‏Verified account @jjmacnab Apr 28
          Replying to @sjacks26 @JosephKYoung @intelwire

          They target Chads and Staceys.

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        2. Tristan Reynolds‏ @TRAntoszewski Apr 28
          Replying to @sjacks26 @intelwire @JosephKYoung

          I mean, isn’t the out-group for your standard jihadist group ‘everyone who isn’t our particular brand of Muslim’?

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        3. 𝙅.𝙈. 𝘽𝙀𝙍𝙂𝙀𝙍‏Verified account @intelwire Apr 28
          Replying to @TRAntoszewski @sjacks26 @JosephKYoung

          There are circles of out-groupness and they're not static. So Shia are out-group for most Sunni jihadists, but some Sunnis are out-group for ISIS but not AQ. And their respective prescriptions for each out-group are different.

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        4. Tristan Reynolds‏ @TRAntoszewski Apr 28
          Replying to @intelwire @sjacks26 @JosephKYoung

          That’s fair. I’m just not sure that suggesting that the out-group is too expansive, in all its gradations, to serve a strategic function is a useful distinction, though.

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        5. 𝙅.𝙈. 𝘽𝙀𝙍𝙂𝙀𝙍‏Verified account @intelwire Apr 28
          Replying to @TRAntoszewski @sjacks26 @JosephKYoung

          Well, in this case, I am arguing there is a strategic function, regardless of where you draw the lines on out-group. In the book I also get into eligible and ineligible in-groups, where some of these distinctions hit the fan.

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        6. Tristan Reynolds‏ @TRAntoszewski Apr 28
          Replying to @intelwire @sjacks26 @JosephKYoung

          Sorry, I don’t think I was clear. What I meant was that I don’t think the scope of the out-group is a relevant assessment factor for determining strategic function.

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        7. 𝙅.𝙈. 𝘽𝙀𝙍𝙂𝙀𝙍‏Verified account @intelwire Apr 28
          Replying to @TRAntoszewski @sjacks26 @JosephKYoung

          The scope of the out-group isn't relevant to strategic function, right, although most groups tend to favor out-group targets in strategic attacks. Just not exclusively.

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        8. Tristan Reynolds‏ @TRAntoszewski Apr 28
          Replying to @intelwire @sjacks26 @JosephKYoung

          Definitely

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        1. 𝙅.𝙈. 𝘽𝙀𝙍𝙂𝙀𝙍‏Verified account @intelwire Apr 28
          Replying to @sjacks26 @JosephKYoung

          Yes, and Minassian disproportionately killed women, so there's an argument to be made there, if you put the statement aside.

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