John Sonmez

@shanselman I do honestly think it is doomed though. This barrage of frameworks can't last. The tech has to stand on its own at some point.

@jsonmez @shanselman Main point is that we lost a few years trying to make JS what it is not with abstraction libraries. It does the job.

@codepo8 @shanselman It is possible to create a SPA without JS libraries? (A non trivial one?)

@jsonmez @shanselman of course. You hire some people who can do massages, get some nice music and a pool... What are you talking about?

@codepo8 @shanselman I mean managing the complexity.. Template engines, data access, etc. that libs like Knockout, Angular or Breeze provide

@jsonmez personally I think the complexity of those is because we replace HTTP, the browser and write our app when we do that. not needed.

@codepo8 That is an excellent point. It is essentially a thick client app hosted in a thin client.

@jsonmez which is why Flex, JSF, even Swing failed before that. It is time we build with the web and its software and not replace it.