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    Signal‏ @signalapp May 1

    Amazon threatens to suspend Signal's AWS account over censorship circumvention:https://signal.org/blog/looking-back-on-the-front/ …

    11:53 AM - 1 May 2018
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    163 replies 3,614 retweets 2,974 likes
      1. New conversation
      2. Mr Tumnus on Infosec‏ @MrTumnusInfosec May 1
        Replying to @signalapp

        We knew it would happen. We told you so! You need to divert funds and development immediately into a decentralised servers model and add federation. Or this will domino...you know it !!!

        1 reply 10 retweets 128 likes
      3. Signal‏ @signalapp May 1
        Replying to @MrTumnusInfosec

        It's trivial to block several distributed hosts simultaneously. An aspiring censor would simply find the most common federated endpoints for a given service and block all of them. Only the users of that software would be affected. There wouldn't be any collateral damage.

        8 replies 15 retweets 119 likes
      4. Lee Parker‏ @lclaytonparker May 3
        Replying to @signalapp @MrTumnusInfosec

        So fully distribute it. Complete mesh network. They cannot block billions of IPs across the entire world.

        1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
      5. Mr Tumnus on Infosec‏ @MrTumnusInfosec May 3
        Replying to @lclaytonparker @signalapp

        Exactly that. Release the server code

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. Lee Parker‏ @lclaytonparker May 3
        Replying to @MrTumnusInfosec @signalapp

        No, I am saying it needs to be a full P2P mesh application. No servers at all.

        1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
      7. Mr Tumnus on Infosec‏ @MrTumnusInfosec May 3
        Replying to @lclaytonparker @signalapp

        it doesn’t have to be either/or. Device performance would suffer if endpoint mobiles were full relays all the time so it could be a fallback / opt-in in addition to dedicated distributed server federation &self-hosted. Let’s do both just in case it’s needed& that day is coming!

        0 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      8. End of conversation
      1. New conversation
      2. Cameron Ruggles‏ @CameronRuggles May 3
        Replying to @signalapp

        Could you make a script and a license agreement that users can upload to their own servers that allow you to use their domains for domain fronting?

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Brandon Stenson‏ @bccesaa May 3
        Replying to @CameronRuggles @signalapp

        Reasonable idea, but really they would have to be big enough that the censors are scared of banning them because of how obvious it is. That's why google and amazon's sites were perfect.

        3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Cameron Ruggles‏ @CameronRuggles May 3
        Replying to @bccesaa @signalapp

        Do these countries also block Facebook, or some Facebook users from using the integrated signal protocol/private messages?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Brandon Stenson‏ @bccesaa May 3
        Replying to @CameronRuggles @signalapp

        Iran blocks facebook. Some of the others don't I think.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. End of conversation
      1. New conversation
      2. koush‏Verified account @koush May 4
        Replying to @signalapp

        Oof. This tweet is misleading for what actually happened, as indicated in the article. You’re masquerading as an amazon owned domain without their permission. I mean, this was the obvious end result.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Alan Orth‏ @mralanorth May 4
        Replying to @koush @signalapp

        This is not *really* about violating the AWS terms of service, though. This is about Amazon not wanting to become collateral damage (ie, lose business) if http://Souq.com  gets blocked in UAE, Oman, etc because of this.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Alan Orth‏ @mralanorth May 4
        Replying to @mralanorth @koush @signalapp

        1. Clear text request: "Hello, I would like to speak TLS with http://souq.com " 2. Clear text response: "Why yes, let us do that with these parameters" 3. Encrypted request: "Please give me the page for http://signal.org/api/whatever "

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. koush‏Verified account @koush May 4
        Replying to @mralanorth @signalapp

        Lol if you think that “not really” violating the terms is defensible. Skating around SNI and reverse proxy quirks is obviously going to be a tos violation, because they’re the ones who write the terms.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Alan Orth‏ @mralanorth May 6
        Replying to @koush @signalapp

        My "not really" was about the real reason for the letter from AWS (ie, that they don't want to lose business), not insinuating that Signal was not breaking the ToS. Signal's not a bot net or something. AWS could have easily looked the other way.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Alan Orth‏ @mralanorth May 6
        Replying to @mralanorth @koush @signalapp

        Anyways, this reminds me of something you said about Twitter a few years ago, that it's a shame that at the end of the day Twitter has to provide shareholder value. Same with AWS here. Good thing people in the Middle East can still buy cell phone covers and vape juice from souq!

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      8. koush‏Verified account @koush May 6
        Replying to @mralanorth @signalapp

        And when souq gets blacklisted?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. koush‏Verified account @koush May 6
        Replying to @koush @mralanorth @signalapp

        Or the government there puts the pressure on souq? This wasn’t just an issue between amazon and a customer that could be overlooked, but amazon and two customers.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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      1. Ogundele Mayowa‏ @afe_mayowa May 3
        Replying to @signalapp

        What does liking this tweet really mean #JT

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. easyDNS‏ @easyDNS May 3
        Replying to @signalapp

        for starters, you should move your domain and your DNS somewhere you won’t have to worry about getting de-platformed. Like here. You can actually manage your Route53 DNS from our control panel and still have latitude if they cut you off:

        1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. Sean Bray‏ @TheCosmicSean May 3
        Replying to @easyDNS @signalapp

        Plus @easyDNS provides awesome customer service in Canada!

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. End of conversation

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