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    1. ひろみつ@home 🦊‏ @hiromitsuuuuu 4 Mar 2019
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      MVC2とわ...

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    2. 天重誠二‏ @tenjuu99 4 Mar 2019
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      Ruby on Rails とかのことです。GUI処理系のMVC(古典的MVC)と分けて今風のMVCを言う俗語です。

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    3. ひろみつ@home 🦊‏ @hiromitsuuuuu 4 Mar 2019
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      !! ありがとうございます! Javaから入ったのでバックの話かと思っていたのですが、わたしがMVCだと思っていたのはMVC2だったのかもしれません...

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    4. 天重誠二‏ @tenjuu99 4 Mar 2019
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      実際には厳密な定義ないです。こちらの資料に詳しいのですが、 https://www.slideshare.net/shinnosukekugimiya/mvc-for-ror … JavaでModel1とModel2というのがあってModel2がMVCに組み込まれたのが起源ということですが、実際問題として何が違うかというのはかなり曖昧だと思っています。

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    5. ひろみつ@home 🦊‏ @hiromitsuuuuu 4 Mar 2019
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      わかりやすい!資料ありがとうございます!どうりで色々記事を見ても違いがよくわからないわけですね...(´-ω-)

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    6. 天重誠二‏ @tenjuu99 4 Mar 2019
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      ですです。ちなみにぼくが記事にしたりこの前話していたところは、たぶん古典的MVCですらないです。Trygve Reenskaug さん自身がSmalltalkに実装されたMVCはあれは当初の意図と違うといっていて、「じゃあ原初MVCはなんなんだ?」みたいなところに個人的な関心がありました。

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    7. ひろみつ@home 🦊‏ @hiromitsuuuuu 4 Mar 2019
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      なんと、、そうなんですね。。そんな歴史があるとは...沼ですね!? たしかに、意図が違うと言われるとじゃあなんなんだってなりますね。なんの疑問もなく使ってました😇

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      shosira / Shoji Ohashi‏ @shosira 4 Mar 2019
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      そのあたり深掘りしたいですけどまさに沼ですね。そのへんが歯切れの悪さにつながるのかなぁと思いつつ討ち死にしたでござる。(そしてデザインパターンも沼。沼だらけ!)

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        1. ひろみつ@home 🦊‏ @hiromitsuuuuu 4 Mar 2019
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          ふ、復活を!あちらこちらに楽しい沼だらけですね😇 裏 #wiadtyo の開催が望まれます!

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