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@dhh @martinfowler @unclebobmartin Interesting. Could you elaborate? Are you referring to third party services?

@sgrif @martinfowler @unclebobmartin Third-party services, standard lib (like Date), and other gems.

@dhh If the point of some code is to interact with the database, using a stub instead of a real relation is absurd.

@sgrif I contend that point of an Active Record is to be backed by a DB. If you're stubbing ARs or making repos, you're imo harming design.

@dhh Same goes for controllers in my opinion. Outermost level of the application is not meant to be tested in isolation.

@sgrif Most certainly, which is where the command pattern and the hexagon approach both go astray in my book.

@dhh I think its a question of where things belong. Sending an email should stay at he controller level. Orchestrating 6 models maybe not.

@sgrif Right. My underlying point is that bad code doesn't necessarily improve through TDD or patterns. Rewrite it. Write it better.