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Co lead of the http://crates.io  team. Creator of @dieselframework. Former host of @_bikeshed and @_yakshave. Former Rails comitter. Enby. they/them

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    1. alexander payne‏ @myrrlyn May 4
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      alexander payne Retweeted Moxie Marlinspike

      this whole thread has me like *distressed crab noises*https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1256640034054135808 …

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      Moxie MarlinspikeVerified account @moxie
      For example, even simple features like "type inference" feel like misplaced priorities to me. People say "it's annoying I have to write String foo = new String()," but realistically, you're more often writing "String foo = bar.getBaz()" If that becomes "val foo = bar.getBaz()"
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    2. alexander payne‏ @myrrlyn May 4
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      alexander payne Retweeted Moxie Marlinspike

      Rust gets away with so permissive a type-inference engine at binding sites precisely because it doesn't have this problem. all functions are fully specified in their signature, and since symbols in a scope can't collide, it's trivial to find the decl sitehttps://twitter.com/moxie/status/1256640035576623105 …

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      Moxie MarlinspikeVerified account @moxie
      Languages designed for "writability" have function signatures that require you to press very few keys on the keyboard: "def foo(bar):" It's nice to press so few keys to write it, but error prone for the thousands of times people have to read/modify it.
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      Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif May 4
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      Not to mention your tools can show you the inferred type at any point if you feel you need to see it. It's not like type inference is the same thing as dynamically typed. The information is still there, and can be exposed if you need it.

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        2. thom‏ @at_tcsc May 4
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          That does assume the tools can do this. Even Rust (which has the stated benefits) has trouble often, and I've never seen, say, a code review platform with this capability for any language.

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        3. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif May 4
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          rust-analyzer definitely does do this (which is admittedly a young technology). But this whole argument also assumes that the type of a variable is always (or even often) a useful thing to see, which I don't believe is the case.

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