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Co lead of the http://crates.io  team. Creator of @dieselframework. Former host of @_bikeshed and @_yakshave. Former Rails comitter. Enby. they/them

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    1. Avdi Grimm‏ @avdi May 2
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      Wow, vanilla Rails 6 is a train wreck. Like, basic documented 101 stuff doesn't work. And then either fails to work *differently* next time, or doesn't notice that you fixed it, because of all the caching Spring and Bootsnap(?) are doing.

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    2. betsythemuffin‏ @betsythemuffin May 2
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      It’s actually Zeitwerk AFAICT — Spring and Bootsnap were always easy to just restart past transient errors, but my experience with Zeitwerk is that it is a train wreck if you make literally any typo ever.

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    3. betsythemuffin‏ @betsythemuffin May 2
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      E.g. if you dare to require something explicitly, and it doesn’t mesh with Zeitwerk’s expectations about directory structure, Zeitwerk will just start.... randomly losing classes.

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    4. betsythemuffin‏ @betsythemuffin May 2
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      PS this also happens IN PRODUCTION because unlike Bootsnap and Spring, you can’t really let Zeitwerk be an optional developer convenience.

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    5. Avdi Grimm‏ @avdi May 2
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      I'm having one of those days where it's like... Everyone is lying and is just too embarrassed to admit that none of their shit works... Right?

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    6. betsythemuffin‏ @betsythemuffin May 2
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      Zeitwerk makes everyone feel that way. I hate it so much and you know that I am always the one defending Rails convenience tooling

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    7. betsythemuffin‏ @betsythemuffin May 2
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      Oh and because i know you like permissive constructor methods that are named after the class... Zeitwerk HATES them and you need to randomly invoke the class as a no-op sometimes to get them to load properly

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      Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif May 2
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      Reading this thread, I'm really glad I left the team when I did

      7:33 PM - 2 May 2020
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        2. betsythemuffin‏ @betsythemuffin May 3
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          Mostly agree. I think sinking all of this effort into faster Rails load strategies is worthwhile, because in practice slow Rails load strategies lead to Rails teams that just don’t write tests. But right now, the error messaging just isn’t adequate.

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