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Co lead of the http://crates.io  team. Creator of @dieselframework. Former host of @_bikeshed and @_yakshave. Former Rails comitter. Enby. they/them

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    1. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts Jan 16
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      but the compiler doesn't *force* you to mark a function that contains `unsafe { ... }` as `unsafe`, you have to elect to do that? so `unsafe { ... }` is you going "look, I know rustc can't prove this memory use is ok, but trust me I know what I'm doing"

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    2. (1/10)xEngiNieR: Automata‏ @mgattozzi Jan 16
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      correct. unsafe { } means within this block of code I have upheld the invariant. whereas marking the fn unsafe means, you the callee need to uphold some invariant.

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    3. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts Jan 16
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      does "invariant" here only include invariants the borrow checker can prove, or any invariant at all? would one ever mark a fn unsafe if it didn't contain anything that would require an unsafe block (i.e. raw ptr deref etc)

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    4. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts Jan 16
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      like, I could write a broken impl of some data structure in safe rust, but marking its API unsafe wouldn't fix that

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    5. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif Jan 16
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      Right, `unsafe` is very specifically about memory safety and undefined behavior

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    6. (1/10)xEngiNieR: Automata‏ @mgattozzi Jan 16
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      though I do wish there was some way that wasn't `unsafe` to say hey like if you use the API this way you might have a bad time if you don't do x, y, and z

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    7. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts Jan 16
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      I would simply not write APIs with this property being slightly facetious but to me a core element of object APIs is that it should not be possible to put them in a bad state by any sequence of messages

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    8. (1/10)xEngiNieR: Automata‏ @mgattozzi Jan 16
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      I had some weird stuff porting your git book over to rust and file locking where there were some issues around ownership or whatever. Can't remember the exact reason. While I had to make an escape hatch in the API to get it to work I wasn't happy about it. Not sure what the cause

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      Would really be. Whether it was my as close to 1:1 mapping or if my API painted me into a weird corner

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    10. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts Jan 16
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      yeah learning rust has involved unlearning a bunch of ways I often do OOP b/c they won't pass borrowck (a lot of OOP is creating networks of mutable references so they don't translate at all)

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      Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif Jan 16
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      Personally I've found that this leads to more resilient structures or at least deeper insight into what you're doing. e.g. `rails_fast_attributes` showed me a ton of invariants I was relying on that I had no idea were there at all

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        2. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif Jan 16
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          In typical fashion, the Rust rewrite led to like 6 previously unknown bugs being fixed in the Ruby impl

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        3. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts Jan 16
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          has this experience working on a threaded program for advent of code

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        1. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts Jan 16
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          yep, it forces you to make smaller structs and shorter-lived finer-grained &muts, and I think it also acts as pressure to comply with demeter

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