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Co lead of the http://crates.io  team. Creator of @dieselframework. Former host of @_bikeshed and @_yakshave. Former Rails comitter. Enby. they/them

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    1. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts Jan 5
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      is there a single document describing rust's coherence rules? googling gives various blog posts and RFCs but I'm struggling to find a single definition of this

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    2. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts Jan 5
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      but would I be wrong in saying that "coherence" is the set of rules that means rustc can determine a single `fn` to dispatch to, for every method/function call site, without ambiguity?

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    3. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts Jan 5
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      and it's what necessitates things like the orphan rules, `fundamental`, the "conflicting implementation" error for blanket impls for different traits...

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    4. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts Jan 5
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      further to this, what's the best explanation of `fundamental` in existence? I'm trying to explain why you can't have an impl for `&mut T` if you also have one for `F where F: FnMut(T)`, but you can have one for `&mut i64` because that type will never impl FnMut

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    5. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif Jan 5
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      Rust prevents you from negative reasoning on foreign traits/types for forwards compatibility. A few types/traits are allowed to break this rule for ergonomic reasons, the trade-off being that implementing a trait for a fundamental type is a breaking change.

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    6. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts Jan 5
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      yeah I'm starting to get the intersection of this problem and logic programming and why so much of the material on this topic is "we can't do negative reasoning"

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    7. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif Jan 5
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      The rebalancing coherence rfc lays out the reasoning pretty clearly. If we let you rely on ForeignType: !ForeignTrait, implementing any trait for any type would be a breaking change. So there's a balance chosen between permitting as much as possible while allowing lib evolution

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      Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif Jan 5
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      In fact the error message you get in these cases should even way something like "foreign_crate may implement ForeignTrait for ForeignType in a future version"

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