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Co lead of the http://crates.io  team. Creator of @dieselframework. Former host of @_bikeshed and @_yakshave. Former Rails comitter. Enby. they/them

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    1. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 25 Nov 2019
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      Nah, it can pick one. It's just because traits are involved (and there are multiple deref targets to choose from, though it could just pick the first in the chain tbh) https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&mode=debug&edition=2018&gist=00257fc8db0914a33c6e000a038111e8 …

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    2. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 25 Nov 2019
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      basically, http://foo.bar () - style autoderef works in generic situations, but the kind of autoderef where &*** is automatically applied to things to coerce them is far more limited: if it's generic (or even if relying too heavily on inference) it won't work

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    3. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 25 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @ManishEarth @mountain_ghosts @steveklabnik

      Yup, which is kinda silly because the same rules used to decide which type is the receiver of `.bar` can be applied whenever `&` is used for argument passing

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    4. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 25 Nov 2019
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      not really: in the former situation you're looking for a type -- any type -- with the method "bar". it's a simple linear search down the deref chain in the latter you're looking for a type which satisfies certain constraints, which is much trickier

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    5. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 25 Nov 2019
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      a == b is sugar for PartialEq::eq(&a, &b), not a.eq(&b). These are different, and more importantly the former situation can't be figured out as a simple search

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    6. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 25 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @ManishEarth @mountain_ghosts @steveklabnik

      Assuming `a` does not have an inherent method named `eq`, I don't think those resolve differently at all. They certainly both fail in the same way with the code mentioned

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    7. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 25 Nov 2019
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      Oh, sorry, the problem here is b not a, my bad. Actually in that case it's far more stark, we're not looking for a method at all, we're looking to see if &b satisfies a certain trait

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    8. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 25 Nov 2019
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      yes, we could implement stuff here to make it better, but "does b or *(n)b have a method foo" is different from "does b or &*(n)b work as T in PartialEq<T> for str".

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    9. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 25 Nov 2019
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      https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&mode=debug&edition=2018&gist=be5ff1a4c279c3f05e1d4607391623ec … is a more concrete explanation of what I mean. `Self` is special cased in more than just dot form

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    10. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 25 Nov 2019
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      I don't understand how that's special casing self types? Deref coercions give up pretty easily, that's the root of this. Here it's giving up on the UFCS form only, with the autoderef working: https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&mode=debug&edition=2018&gist=c0197afb83c273b0f4181ddef6fd0cf6 …

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      Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 25 Nov 2019
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      Probably the biggest way that self is getting special cased here is that it won't try to deref self but it will try to deref other arguments (why is `PartialEq<Inner> for Outer` fine there but not `PartialEq<Outer> for Inner`?)

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        2. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 25 Nov 2019
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          but your example is already asymmetric, it's breaking because `y` is MyRc, not because it's not self. It fails if you swap y with x, it has nothing to do with the receiver being special cased

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        3. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 25 Nov 2019
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          What's happening is that for x it's managing to find a single impl that doesn't require coercion. it's done! it's able to coerce for y because there's a single impl, so all the expected types are known

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