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    1. Kat Marchán  😷‏ @zkat__ 26 Sep 2019
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      Hella biased opinion: the Contributor Covenant is not a good CoC and people should stop using it.

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    2. Kat Marchán  😷‏ @zkat__ 26 Sep 2019
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      why: because it doesn't provide a healthy framework for enforcement. It does not provide staged enforcement. It treats all violations as potentially the worst and in practice just makes people paranoid they'll end up on the wrong side of it.

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    3. Kat Marchán  😷‏ @zkat__ 26 Sep 2019
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      My experience managing communities is that Codes of Conduct like these put people who are anxious about them on the defensive, and _this itself makes enforcement difficult_. I believe a good CoC has to have, and even LEAD, with a healthy enforcement process.

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    4. Kat Marchán  😷‏ @zkat__ 26 Sep 2019
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      I say my opinion is biased because I adapted a CoC years ago that leads with an enforcement process, and I've had IMMENSE success with it in communities, vs when I was using a Contributor Covenant-like CoC: https://github.com/WeAllJS/weallbehave/blob/latest/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md …

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    5. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 26 Sep 2019
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      Have you considered packaging this in a way that makes it easy for folks to use? I think most folks go for CC because it's there, and they're not sure of what else to reach for

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    6. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 26 Sep 2019
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      Really we should have something similar to https://choosealicense.com/  for codes of conduct. Both are things that every project needs, and both are things that are hard to have a full grasp on all the tradeoffs and their consequences

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    7. Audrey Eschright‏ @ameschright 26 Sep 2019
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      I’ve done a lot of training and consulting on this, and CoC and license adoption have way different needs. A checkbox approach tends to leave people very unprepared for enforcement, especially the governance aspects.

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      Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 26 Sep 2019
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      I 100% agree, especially WRT enforcement. But I don't think the outcome has been folks become better informed, they've just reached for what's easiest without understanding the implications

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        2. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 26 Sep 2019
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          I'm not necessarily arguing for a checkbox approach as much as somewhere that has a curated list of what the options even are, and talks a bit about the tradeoffs between them. Maybe with education that these are not legal docs and you can change them more freely

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        3. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 26 Sep 2019
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          e.g. I think https://opensource.guide/code-of-conduct/ … is one of the better sources out there right now, and is where many folks are currently finding this at all, but it lists a total of 3 options, and gives no information about the differences other than "this one is really popular"

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