Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️

I think I’m building on something you convinced me of if I say that the fact that basically none of the Ruby or JS frameworks is built for unit testing (without the DB or DOM as dependencies) makes it really hard to integrate a pure TDD unit testing workflow into them.https://twitter.com/searls/status/1137057803468759041 …

I wrote teenytest—that's JS! How do you think Minitest falls short in Ruby?

For me, Minitest falls short most often because I reach for mock tools that aren’t there. (I also think RSpec’s CLI tools are better). But those are both at the margin, if you like Minitest, that’s great. Using either one is better than using neither one.

yes the mocking in rspec is second to none; I copied it for jstest but almost nobody uses that

Wow, really? rspec-mocks is one of the worst, net harmful test double libraries I've ever seen. Way overbroad in its feature set and all the defaults and opinions are (IMO) focused on hacking up implementation details rather than outside-in TDD