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    1. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts 23 May 2019
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      oh, because the method calls pass down to the Box contents... okay then I need to better understand what "Box implementing a trait" means, hopefully these new boxed closure features will tell me!

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    2. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts 23 May 2019
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      but also, someone told me you can impl a trait for another trait, rather than for all types that implement said trait, i.e. `impl Trait for Other` rather than `impl<T: Other> Trait for T` and I still don't know what that means or if it's relevant here

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    3. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 23 May 2019
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      That's the same as `impl Trait for dyn Other` (`dyn` is optional, it's an idiom for marking a trait in a type position to mark it as dynamically dispatched). You're implementing the trait only for trait objects of type Other

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    4. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts 23 May 2019
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      ah so only for &dyn Other, Box<dyn Other>, etc, but not for any T: Other ?

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    5. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 23 May 2019
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      well, to be precise, it implements it for one type: `dyn Other`. &dyn Other, Box<dyn other> get it through deref, but they do not get the trait implemented

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    6. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 23 May 2019
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      Box<dyn Other> and &dyn Other are not T: Other, as I mentioned before. They get Other methods through deref. Some traits (eg. Fn*) may choose to blanket implement themselves on these types.

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    7. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 23 May 2019
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      dyn Other is a single type. It's a virtually dispatched trait object, with a concrete value of *some* type implementing that trait behind it. It can only exist behind a pointer, because we don't know its size.

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    8. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts 23 May 2019
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      "virtually" == dispatch is done at runtime?

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    9. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 23 May 2019
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      Yes. It points to a vtable with the size information and function pointers to all the trait methods

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    10. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts 23 May 2019
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      but a `dyn Trait` cannot exist as a value on its own? it needs a wrapper type to implement a pointer to the concrete value?

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      Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 23 May 2019
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      Correct. Something has to actually point to that vtable and size information.

      2:41 PM - 23 May 2019
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        2. please wear a mask‏ @mountain_ghosts 23 May 2019
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          the thing I wasn't getting is that I was thinking about dynamic OO languages, where the class/vtable pointer is part of the value whereas here you have a pair of pointers, one to the value and one to the vtable that's relevant at that call site, it's contextual

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        3. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 23 May 2019
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          I think that distinction is really just an implementation detail. It could have easily been implemented as `*mut (*const Vtable, Data)` and the semantics would still be the same

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