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Co lead of the http://crates.io  team. Creator of @dieselframework. Former host of @_bikeshed and @_yakshave. Former Rails comitter. Enby. they/them

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    1. Gary Bernhardt‏ @garybernhardt 10 Sep 2018
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      So in every *other* programming language, we can add a simple function like Ruby's Hash#merge, and it's fine, and no one bats an eye. But in JavaScript, everyone gets ten times as excited, produces 100 times as much writing and discussion... and support for it is unpredictable.

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    2. Gary Bernhardt‏ @garybernhardt 10 Sep 2018
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      Because Twitter tends to read criticism of anything JS-related as a moral condemnation: this has nothing to do with the people involved. We locked ourselves into a monoculture built on top of a language that wasn't designed. This is about the best we could've expected given that.

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    3. Gary Bernhardt‏ @garybernhardt 10 Sep 2018
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      It's strange that the accepted solution is "throw another compiler in front of the compiler" in the form of Babel... which itself is a monoculture. Solve the monoculture by layering another monoculture over it. Doesn't seem right.

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    4. Gary Bernhardt‏ @garybernhardt 12 Sep 2018
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      Another similar example. How do you spell "get the last element of an array"? Python (as of 1990): xs[-1] Ruby (as of 1995): xs[-1] JS (also as of 1995): xs[xs.length - 1] JS (as of 1999, probably an uncommon idiom): xs.slice(-1)[0] JS (as of 2015): var [x] = xs.slice(-1)

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    5. Gary Bernhardt‏ @garybernhardt 12 Sep 2018
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      Every JavaScript version, past and current, is obviously worse than negative indexing, which existed before JavaScript was rushed out the door. (It was rushed out by Netscape as a play to slow the adoption of Sun's Java applets.) Why don't we adopt the 28-year-old simple thing?

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    6. Gary Bernhardt‏ @garybernhardt 12 Sep 2018
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      This doesn't look like a huge issue when considering single values. But what happens in real life? Python or Ruby: g(f()[-1]) JavaScript, 1995: var xs = f() var x = xs[xs.length - 1] g(x) JavaScript, 1999: g(f().slice(-1)[0]) JavaScript, 2015: var [x] = f().slice(-1) g(x)

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    7. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 12 Sep 2018
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      FWIW I think most folks would consider `g(f.last)` more idiomatic in Ruby (not sure about Python). I've personally never found `-1` meaning end of the array particularly obvious or intuitive

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    8. Gary Bernhardt‏ @garybernhardt 12 Sep 2018
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      (Python lacks no last(). Ruby/Python are opposites in terms of core type method bloat.) Ruby: > [].methods.length => 177 Python: >>> len(dir([])) 45 But only 9 of those are intended for direct calls (don't begin in "_")! >>> len([m for m in dir([]) if not m.startswith('_')]) 9

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    9. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 12 Sep 2018
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      Python trends towards top level functions for things that Ruby puts on Enumerable though, right? e.g. it's `len(list)` not `list.len()`

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    10. Gary Bernhardt‏ @garybernhardt 12 Sep 2018
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      Yes, but there aren't that many, and they just call those weird underscore methods. E.g., len(list) actually does list.__len__(); iter(list) does list.__iter__(); etc. It didn't age well IMO, but it did make map(len, xs) look nice without the need for something like &: syntax.

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      Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 12 Sep 2018
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      Gotcha. Yeah, `&:` really seems like more of an artifact of methods being separate from properties. I've definitely wanted a better way to write the python equivalent of `map(this.some_func, xs)` in Ruby than `http://xs.map (&method(:some_func))`

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        2. Gary Bernhardt‏ @garybernhardt 12 Sep 2018
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          Yep. And in Python there's also no good way, even though Python methods are perfectly fine objects. Which is (in part) why Python spells even the simple `http://xs.map (&:f)` as `[x.f() for x in xs]`.

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        1. Gary Bernhardt‏ @garybernhardt 12 Sep 2018
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          One of the most bizarre results of syntax aversion is that they avoided adding fundamental syntax (most notably blocks), but ended up proliferating a lot *more* syntax that could've been avoided if they just had blocks.

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