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Co lead of the http://crates.io  team. Creator of @dieselframework. Former host of @_bikeshed and @_yakshave. Former Rails comitter. Enby. they/them

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    1. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 1 Jun 2018
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      This is a really bad take. @samsaffron has had access since March to the repository for an experiment I've been working on for a long while to fix exactly this. I've asked for help getting benchmark numbers for it on Discourse... I have no clue why it wasn't included here.

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    2. Sam Saffron‏ @samsaffron 1 Jun 2018
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      I will revise that to include numbers for the experiment repo, and the take that nobody cares about performance is not correct. However the current giant pain needs no additional libraries to get solved for PG it can be fixed in Ruby

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    3. Jeff Atwood‏Verified account @codinghorror 1 Jun 2018
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      The take that "developer happiness" is the only thing that matters, and that performance can be ignored, is absolutely enshrined in Rails culture.. and has been from day one.

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    4. Sam Saffron‏ @samsaffron 1 Jun 2018
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      It is fair to say that for me it is very disappointing that https://rubyonrails.org/doctrine/  says nothing about performance. Performance is not a priority for the doctrine. Consumers of Rails at scale have a very different take.

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    5. Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 1 Jun 2018
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      "Performance is secondary to developer happiness" is not the same as "we actively don't care about performance". Rails is a project run by volunteers and has limited resources. Y'all are talking like we're actively just ignoring performance, vs having to prioritize our time.

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    6. Yehuda Katz #BlackLivesMatter‏Verified account @wycats 1 Jun 2018
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      There are also plenty of people, yourself included, who have spent sustained effort improving Rails performance. The false dichotomy is really destructive to both causes, and create gridlock between perspectives that gets nothing done.

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    7. Yehuda Katz #BlackLivesMatter‏Verified account @wycats 1 Jun 2018
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      What's the point of rhetoric that convinces folks who want to improve developer ergonomics that their goals are in conflict with performance? What do you think will happen over the long haul if performance-minded folks act like the tradeoff is zero-sum?

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    8. Jeff Atwood‏Verified account @codinghorror 1 Jun 2018
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      It's funny that you bring this up, because we want a Merb style outcome here and that's what we are working toward. I honestly don't feel AR can be fixed because of the deep seated cultural issues of "developer happiness > everything else"

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    9. Yehuda Katz #BlackLivesMatter‏Verified account @wycats 1 Jun 2018
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      If that's true about AR it should absolutely have been true about Glimmer. Developer friendly APIs are declarative enough to make under the hood changes with profound effects.

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    10. Jeff Atwood‏Verified account @codinghorror 1 Jun 2018
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      More developers should internalize the fact that performance actually matters... at *LEAST* equal to "developer happiness". If they did, we'd have made more progress by now, rather than having to drag people, kicking and screaming, across the goal line

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      Miss Dada  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @sgrif 1 Jun 2018
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      Please stop generalizing every person who works on Rails as a homogenous group. You are putting words in our mouths that are not true.

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        2. Yehuda Katz #BlackLivesMatter‏Verified account @wycats 1 Jun 2018
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          It's also just actually true that sometimes performance is an ergonomics issue. @ryanflorence made this point very viscerally years ago to the Ember community in his React talk about how bad performance sometimes makes it hard to say "yes" to features.

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        3. Yehuda Katz #BlackLivesMatter‏Verified account @wycats 1 Jun 2018
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          Every time someone uses rhetoric that makes the two seem at odds, we are set back years of community consensus building, as people entrench into tribes that accept the false dichotomy. I love the Rust ecosystem for making a rejection of the conflict a core value.

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        1. Jeff Atwood‏Verified account @codinghorror 1 Jun 2018
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          My comments are specific to Active Record, and I'd say benchmarks over the last 3-4 years support the point I am making. Beyond that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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