You can only really be that if you mutually recognize that you are competitors, just as we have certain common interests with the goog, here and even with Tomtom. But it would be naive to think that they don't hate our guts.
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What on earth makes you think that Linux Foundation or Mapzen hate OpenStreetMap's guts?
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Right, that's a great deflection, but what specific problems do you have? If it's a duck, where are the quacks?
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WOF competes - for data consumers - for data sources - for contributors that is in general is a dismal failure, dosn't make it less an attempt at competing with OSM.
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I don't agree that WOF competes with OSM for any of those things, but even if it does, I don't see how that means Mapzen and Linux Foundation hate OSM's guts... Open data is not a zero sum game.
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> Open data is not a zero sum game. I don't think that makes any sense as a general statement. Outside of the realm of "data that is already there" there are finite resources to curate and produce the data and finite potential consumers. ...
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.. trying to stipulate a right for projects to remain on life support even after they have shown that they do not have a working business model, is the Chapter 11 of open data / OSS and distorts the markets just as bad, to the detriment of those that actually work.
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That's a fundamental thought worth noting. IMHO it's OK if orgs&companies get a (2nd.) chance, but must be transparent and take responsibility when they try new biz models based on
#OpenData commons like#OSM. And@Mapzen &@linuxfoundation & Co. must be stongly reminded to that.2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
I think you are confused about the Mapzen/Linux Foundation announcement: LF is holding the Mapzen IP so that orgs who are using Mapzen's open source software know that Samsung won't change their mind. LF is not becoming a mapping provider or giving Mapzen "a 2nd chance".
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Let's face and name it again: WOF and orgs&companies behind such projects compete with #OSM for contributors and data consumers. And @Mapzen, @linuxfoundation and all who explore biz models based on #OpenData commons like @OpenStreetMap must be transparent and provide attribution
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