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Toronto-Brazilian-Jewish Philosopher with strong Kantian leanings. Tweets mostly about stuff. Opinions expressed here are correct.

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    Sergio Tenenbaum‏ @sergioten 21 May 2020

    Does anyone have a sympathetic way to present Mill's discussion of higher pleasures? Before I know it, I am always telling my students "We'd all choose a few extra minutes of reading mediocre poetry over any amount of amazing sex", and not all of them seem persuaded.

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      1. Sergio Tenenbaum‏ @sergioten 21 May 2020

        I know I am not being really fair to Mill here; this should apply only to people who appreciate poetry, and perhaps I should say "just above average poetry".

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      1. Dale E. Miller‏ @dimdem66 21 May 2020
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        This is how I know you never read my book. :-)

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      2. Guy Fletcher‏ @Guy_fletcher_ 21 May 2020
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        Sorry if this it’s what you’re after but I: downplay the competent judges test, downplay any suggestion of lexical superiority, and tell them to forget about which particular pleasures are higher. I also try to motivate it by distinguishing types of pain (physical vs emotional).

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      3. Sergio Tenenbaum‏ @sergioten 21 May 2020
        Replying to @Guy_fletcher_

        This is very close to what I end up doing; I try to say that some kind of perfectionist picture in which the higher pleasures play an important and continuous role in one's life would deliver similar results.

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      2. C Thi Nguyen‏ @add_hawk 21 May 2020
        Replying to @sergioten

        I think the “category x” is always higher than “category y” is a bad way to go, and probably not what Moll actually thinks. I invite them to imagine watching two movies, one of which is pleasant the whole way, the other of which is difficult and tiring but there’s a payoff.

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      3. C Thi Nguyen‏ @add_hawk 21 May 2020
        Replying to @add_hawk @sergioten

        Given that the payoff is far shorter in duration, and doesn’t feel like 10x more intense, if you want to say that more difficult movie is still more worthwhile, you have to accept that there are “higher pleasures”.

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      2. David G. Dick‏ @DavidGDick 21 May 2020
        Replying to @sergioten

        I describe the higher pleasures like the difference between boredom and engagement. Even the best physical pleasure might get boring after a while, and if you think you might like something interesting after a few hours of great physical pleasure, Mill has a way in, I think.

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      3. David G. Dick‏ @DavidGDick 21 May 2020
        Replying to @DavidGDick @sergioten

        That also helps them think about what they find intellectually engaging, and so doesn't rest on a particular example. (And the example in so many cases is "doing philosophy," which makes me want to cry.)

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      2. Neil Thin‏ @NeilThin 21 May 2020
        Replying to @sergioten

        Try not to be misled by the verticalist metaphor. Try a 2x2 matrix that doesn't involve high vs low, e.g: amazing sex vs mediocre poetry vs mediocre sex vs amazing poetry. Then promote realism by giving each student four beans, to spend however they like on these four options.

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      3. Sergio Tenenbaum‏ @sergioten 21 May 2020
        Replying to @NeilThin

        But Mill does seem to suggest lexical priority.

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