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Currently taking a break. Previously co-founder @npmjs, started http://lgbtq.technology . He/him. 🏳️‍🌈🇹🇹🇬🇧🇺🇸

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    1. Vlad Magdalin‏ @callmevlad Sep 12
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      Since "no code" can be so confusing, does anyone have any ideas for what to call the category of creating software visually/declaratively without needing a text editor? Other terms that have baggage and are not ideal imo: wysiwygs, app builders, website builders...

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    2. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei Sep 12
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      I sorta like "no code" because you can pair it with "low code" and "pro code" to make a spectrum of builders, divided by how much code they get into. But maybe it's still too much focus on CODE rather than what they're trying to do.

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    3. Laurie Voss‏ @seldo Sep 12
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      Replying to @sarahmei @callmevlad @jackyalcine

      I've been thinking about Webflow's positioning a lot. It's the classic "bicycle for the mind": you could do all of this with code, but it's a lot faster this way, so why bother? But any formulation around the word "code" centers code in a way that's confusing or unhelpful.

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    4. Laurie Voss‏ @seldo Sep 12
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      Replying to @seldo @sarahmei and

      I think "development by direct manipulation" in a talk I saw Vlad give is a lot closer to the magic. Like a 3D editor lets you draw a model that is stored as code, Webflow lets you draw a website that becomes code, but the code isn't the interesting part, the tool is.

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    5. Laurie Voss‏ @seldo Sep 12
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      WYSIWYG is the term for this but associated with bad underlying code. So: another term, ideally not so nerdy. A "visual web editor"?

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    6. Laurie Voss‏ @seldo Sep 12
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      "Automated web development"? "Web development accelerator"? "Like that exo-skeleton Riley wears in Alien, except for building websites instead of lifting heavy things"?

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      Laurie Voss‏ @seldo Sep 12
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      I'm still working on it.

      4:27 PM - 12 Sep 2019
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        2. jackyalcine @ TwitchCon 2019‏ @jackyalcine Sep 12
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          Replying to @seldo @sarahmei @callmevlad

          Lol as am I

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        3. Marco Rogers‏ @polotek Sep 12
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          Replying to @jackyalcine @seldo and

          Visual software design. Visual logic design. Decentering the coding aspect allows you to separate the medium from the outcome. You're still designing software. You're just not doing it in code.

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        4. Vlad Magdalin‏ @callmevlad Sep 12
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          Replying to @polotek @jackyalcine and

          I like it! Been gravitating towards Visual Software Design, or probably more accurately (since no code tools can generate/run/scale software in production beyond just the design phase): Visual Software Development 🤔

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        2. Zorro Notorious M. E. B. he / him‏ @znmeb Sep 12
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          Replying to @seldo @sarahmei and

          Having spent the past six months wrangling PostGIS databases while other team members did Django Rest Framework APIs and React front-ends, I'd love a tool that any member of our team could develop an end-to-end web app with.

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        3. Zorro Notorious M. E. B. he / him‏ @znmeb Sep 12
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          Admittedly our database was huge - we had to pre-compute reports rather than force Django or a browser to do serious joins or quantile calculations. But any serious data-driven application needs horsepower in three components of the stack, usually with three different languages.

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