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    1. Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 2 Feb 2018
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      The thing I hate most about writing React components is how much of the correctness is down to the code patterns you use. So many places to shoot yourself in the foot. Do other "view libraries" do better?

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    2. Eric‏ @EricVicenti 2 Feb 2018
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      Pretty sure this is a language-level concern. Flow/TS help, but we need to replace the type system before we can even start fixing this problem. I haven't committed to a solution yet but @reasonml is my best hope so far, because of the inter-op it provides with React/JS.

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    3. Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 2 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @EricVicenti @reasonml

      It's not just a type system. React's execution model fundamentally relies on you structuring your components a certain way. I haven't used @reasonml but not clear how it doesn't have the same problems.

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    4. Eric‏ @EricVicenti 2 Feb 2018
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      I'm probably forgetting something.. what fundamental constraints does React impose on the way components are structured? Are you sure those constraints couldn't be modeled with a type system?

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    5. Yawar Amin‏ @yawaramin 2 Feb 2018
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      One example is that you should minimise allocations inside the render function ... but that's a performance issue, not a correctness issue.

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      Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 2 Feb 2018
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      It’s correctness if you want a performance app! Stuff like that and remembering to clear state that’s derived from props in componentWillRecieveProps etc. It’s not strictly types but relates to immutable data structures and memoization.

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        2. Yawar Amin‏ @yawaramin 2 Feb 2018
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          Disagree, correctness has a well-defined meaning for any type of app. Anyway I don’t understand what a ‘performance app’ is; are there some apps that we don’t want to be performance apps? Re componentWillReceiveProps, that too can be typed so that you force it to return a state.

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        3. lilac.town  🐙‏ @lilactown_ 2 Feb 2018
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          I think the difference is you're talking about an app being "correct" and Sebastian is talking about making an app "correctly." Making an app correctly - in that it meets the requirements of the business - does involve having certain performance characteristics.

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        2. Tim Welch‏ @timwelch_ 3 Feb 2018
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          Much of the complexity comes from trying to be “correct” when “correct” is always changing. Simpler to use the few patterns here https://reactjs.org/docs/thinking-in-react.html … and forget the rest. If u don’t want to clear state from derived props don’t set state from props.

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        3. jordwalke  ⚛️🆁‏ @jordwalke 3 Feb 2018
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          But there are some components that are difficult to implement without having state be derived from props. Imagine a light switch counter with prop on:bool, that also displays number of time it has transitioned to “on”.

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        1. Eric‏ @EricVicenti 3 Feb 2018
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          Some performance tradeoffs must be made by the app developer, and we should educate people on them. Everything else should be verifiable by a type system, and as @jordwalke mentioned, frameworks like React can define the types that are needed to safely render views, etc.

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