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    Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 12 Dec 2017
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    Question for browser vendors: Is there anything slow about the DOM rendering lifecycle that's due to backwards compatibility (ie. not breaking random websites)?

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      2. Hugo Campos‏ @hugoccampos 12 Dec 2017
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        I think you need @bmeurer, for the v8/JS side of things. For other stuff, not sure who's in charge.

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      3. Benedikt Meurer‏ @bmeurer 12 Dec 2017
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        I don't @v8js is significant part of the problem here. But I'm also not sure what counts as part of "the DOM rendering lifecycle". This probably needs attention from experts. cc @addyosmani @jaffathecake @samccone @slightlylate

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      2. Domenic Denicola‏ @domenic 12 Dec 2017
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        My understanding is that there is a decent portion of this, although in theory a lot of it could be detected and optimized with a fallback to the slow path if you go off the guard rails. But that's hard to implement and teach. So...

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      3. Domenic Denicola‏ @domenic 12 Dec 2017
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        ... one path forward is allowing you to specify policies for your page ahead of time saying "you have permission to make these APIs work differently/disappear" and then the browser can optimize this new fast mode.

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      2. Jake Archibald‏ @jaffathecake 12 Dec 2017
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        Hm, if we could start again I'd want to add specific style & layout read/write phases. Remove the footgun of layout thrashing.

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      3. Richard Beddington‏ @RichieAHB 13 Dec 2017
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        Do you think there would be any value in someone writing a browser optimally, from scratch, at any point? Or will improvements in hardware (and potentially an upper limit of 120fps) allow us to ignore the issues with the old architecture indefinitely?

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      2. Kyle Mathews‏ @kylemathews 12 Dec 2017
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        I talked to someone at Chrome Developer Summit on the dev team that they did a prototype on version of chrome that disabled a lot of checks and got huge speedups. Idea is could opt into these speedups.

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      3. Ojan Vafai‏ @ojanvafai 13 Dec 2017
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        That was me. :) The prototype was very hack and slash, so take with a grain of salt, but for example, we were able to get HTML parsing 20x faster by removing a bunch of parsing exceptions (elements with different parsing rules, leaving out the semi-colon on HTML entities, etc.)

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      1. Guillaume Démésy‏‏ @magsout 12 Dec 2017
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        Maybe somebody @MozWebCompat got an answer?

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      1. Bnaya Peretz‏ @Bnayap 13 Dec 2017
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        Css containment is a way to somewhat get over it

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