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@sebmck @domenic @Fishrock123 @isntitvacant which is to say interop with 99% of the JS modules in existence is a rabbithole of problems.

@mikeal @domenic @fishrock123 @isntitvacant yes. there's no solution where you aren't making massive compromises.

@mikeal @domenic @fishrock123 @isntitvacant if you want commonjs then use `require`, if you want es then use `import`. why is that bad?

@sebmck @mikeal @domenic @Fishrock123 @isntitvacant This answer, seriously.

@jumbleofideas @sebmck @mikeal @domenic @fishrock123 If you're using ES modules, then you can't use any existing `require`-based modules?

@isntitvacant @jumbleofideas @sebmck @mikeal @Fishrock123 no! You just `require` them! Require still works and always will.

@domenic @isntitvacant @jumbleofideas @mikeal @fishrock123 so many people have tried to make cjs interop (including me!) and it always fails

@sebmck really? I see it used all over the place successfully. "Has trade-offs" != failed @domenic @isntitvacant @jumbleofideas @mikeal