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    Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 12 Mar 2019
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    Hot take: tools with built-in support for Babel or TypeScript are bad for the ecosystem. They stifle competition, and make it significantly harder for a new compiler to get adoption. It also harms Babel/TS by having another tool locked to their major making it harder to iterate.

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      1. Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 12 Mar 2019
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        Side-note: I feel the same way about including a package manager with Node.

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      2. Tim De Pauw‏ @tmdpw 13 Mar 2019
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        I sure as heck don't disagree, but does this apply to e.g. create-react-app as well? Realistically, most people don't want to fiddle with the toolchain, especially if what they're trying to achieve has already been done, making repeating that task a total distraction.

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      3. Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 13 Mar 2019
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        Deleted my original reply because it was confusing. If the reason for using a particular compiler is about having sensible defaults or to abstract things away then it seems fine. The breaker though is when config is exposed since then it becomes bound to that implementation.

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      2. Ryan Florence‏ @ryanflorence 13 Mar 2019
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        I wish so badly I could publish a plain old javascript module and apps could build it however they want.

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      3. xnoɹǝʃ uɐıɹq‏ @brianleroux 13 Mar 2019
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        Good news: u canpic.twitter.com/9emnoPf4Bi

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      1. Lucas Azzola‏ @lucasazzola 13 Mar 2019
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        It's a trade off between tool-coupling and "JavaScript fatigue".

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      1. Devon Govett‏ @devongovett 13 Mar 2019
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        It’s a trade off. Either make it easy for people to get started with good defaults or force everything to be configured by hand.

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      1. WANYΞ‏ @wayne_douglas 13 Mar 2019
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        Visual studio entered new levels of hell as soon as they integrated grunt/node etc...

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      1. Alejandro‏ @findalejandro 13 Mar 2019
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        This reminded me of the antitrust suit against Microsoft for bundling IE with Windows (among other things). In a way is like saying Babel/TS have a monopoly of sorts.

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      1. Anshuli Gupta‏ @anshulix 13 Mar 2019
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        But that's what in terms of business they call it advantage over competition, partnerships. It really depends on the motive of that tool or typescript/babel community.

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