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    1. Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 8 Mar 2019
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      Sebastian Retweeted Grammarly

      Grammarly *IS* a keylogger. They try to dodge it by saying "Grammarly accesses only the text you write while using our product"https://twitter.com/Grammarly/status/1067213161932017664 …

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      Hi there! Our product isn't a keylogger. We don't record every keystroke you make on your device. Grammarly accesses only the text you write while using our product so we can provide our services to you. (1/4)
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    2. Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 8 Mar 2019
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      But if you use the browser extension, then that means every single bit of text you type (excluding passwords, credit card forms, and sites you disable). That is all sent to them.

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    3. Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 8 Mar 2019
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      Now they do need to send your text to their backend to process it. But did you know they save all the text you send? Forever?

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    4. Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 8 Mar 2019
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      Here is where they mention in their Privacy Policy that they save all text processed: https://www.grammarly.com/privacy-policy#what-information-does-grammarly-collect-about-me …pic.twitter.com/bmUXTy6El4

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    5. Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 8 Mar 2019
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      They also reserve the right to view your text to "to improve our algorithms", or if they "think" you break their ToS. Since they have all your content they are also required to disclose it to law enforcement if necessary.pic.twitter.com/IOxett9Sng

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    6. Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 8 Mar 2019
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      More weirdly "Your Information may be viewed where necessary to protect the rights, property, or personal safety of Grammarly". Whatever that means? Again, this is all taken straight from their Privacy Policy. https://www.grammarly.com/privacy-policy#does-grammarly-review-user-content …

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    7. Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 8 Mar 2019
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      They also give themselves a "a nonexclusive, worldwide, royalty-free and fully-paid, transferable and sublicensable, perpetual, and irrevocable license to copy, store and use your User Content". See for yourself in their ToS: https://www.grammarly.com/terms#user-content …pic.twitter.com/oVbeUy0KgG

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    8. Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 8 Mar 2019
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      It's unclear if they categorize "user content" (eg. your text) as personal data. The privacy policy seems to use two different terms. Again, I am not a lawyer™. Would appreciate references or confirmation from someone who knows what they're talking about.

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    9. Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 8 Mar 2019
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      Hopefully GDPR would force them to remove it when requested, but unclear if the user content is included. Again, they aren't specific. They would likely refuse GDPR requests for non-Europeans anyway.

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    10. Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 8 Mar 2019
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      So to summarize: Grammarly admit to saving all processed text, giving themselves a license to do with it literally whatever they want, are unclear about deletion, and by storing your text they have to disclose it to law enforcement if requested.

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      Sebastian‏Verified account @sebmck 8 Mar 2019
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      You can decide if the trade-off are worth it. It's not for me, and it's probably not for you. Muting this thread now lol

      1:33 PM - 8 Mar 2019
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        1. Brian Vaughn‏ @brian_d_vaughn 8 Mar 2019
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          I use GitHub for this. I post markdown. People open PRs to fix my typos and misspellings. (I know you muted this thread. I'm commenting anyway. 😝)

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        1. Carmen Shorter‏ @CarmenShorterDC 8 Mar 2019
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          Oh, @threadreaderapp!

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        1. Alexandra Meagher‏ @drameagher 8 Mar 2019
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          Unroll @threadreaderapp

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        2. Thread Reader App‏ @threadreaderapp 8 Mar 2019
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          Bonjour you can read it here: Thread by @sebmck: "Here's a summary of why Grammarly are predatory and why you should avoid them. I am not a lawyer™. This is my layman rea […]" https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1104132993893904386.html … Have a good day. 🤖

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        1. rugk‏ @rugkme 9 Mar 2019
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          could not you request your stored data with GDPR? Then you could check by yourself what they actually store…

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        2. Andreas Offenhaeuser‏ @anoff_io 15 Mar 2019
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          They probably don't store or link to your account which makes it more of a confidentiality than a privacy issue.

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        1. Karina Stavenes‏ @KarinaStavenes 10 Mar 2019
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          Wow! I must confess, I never read their ToCs nor Privacy Policy. You're right. Thank you! 😱

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        1. joseberlines‏ @joseberlines 10 Mar 2019
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          You mean even with the Mozilla extension (no other soft installed) data go away from your computer?

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