I don't think Mozilla has given up on that. Neither Slack nor Discord satisfy the constraints posed, iirc. I'm just skeptical that IRC or even IRCv3 can be "fixed" here
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Replying to @ManishEarth @nokusu and
But if it can, great, right? It seems important to try. And few other companies are in a position to do so.
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Replying to @seanmonstar @nokusu and
But why not pick Matrix or one of the newer ideas? What's so great about IRC that we should try and stick with it? IRC isn't the only open protocol on the block
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Replying to @ManishEarth @nokusu and
I'm not tied to IRC. It just seems to me like the easiest to fix, as opposed to getting clients to support a whole different protocol. I just want an excellent open protocol, with user choice of clients.
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Replying to @seanmonstar @nokusu and
Matrix has a bunch of clients already. IRC has design decisions baked in that are hard to change. Message persistence is an example of that
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Replying to @ManishEarth @nokusu and
Putting a team behind Matrix dev may be fine too. I haven't explored it. The name of protocol isn't important to me. Announcing the closure of a platform using open standards without declaring that some other open platform was the goal is the concern.
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Replying to @seanmonstar @nokusu and
I don't think the platform being open is a goal. There are some open platforms that I think might satisfy the requirements, though.
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Replying to @ManishEarth @nokusu and
It not being a goal is the reason for my concern. That should be a goal. At least, it should be a goal of a mission for a free and open web.
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Replying to @seanmonstar @nokusu and
That's a matter of prioritization, there are tons of issues with the open web, and Mozilla isn't a large company.
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Replying to @ManishEarth @seanmonstar and
Sometimes my brain still thinks Mozilla is large, and then I remember we are damn small compared to some other companies.
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I mean, sure, it's not 100,000 strong. But it's over 1,000. That's big compared pretty much any other company that would care about the web.
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Replying to @seanmonstar @ManishEarth and
I'm as pissed off as anyone else about us dropping IRC, but 1,000 people to do a BROWSER* is quite tiny. *Or you can just cheat and use Chromium obviously, but then you're making a Chromium browser.
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