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    1. Sean McArthur‏ @seanmonstar 26 Apr 2019
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      Instead of shutting down IRC, it'd be beautiful if @mozilla instead were to choose to improve it for everyone.

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    2. Daniel Quinn  🍁  🌳  🌹‏ @danielagquinn 27 Apr 2019
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      Improving IRC would be difficult without violating its standards, and even then, client support would be limited. Better to switch to a Free solution like @Mattermost and improve that where needed:https://www.mattermost.org/ 

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    3. Anthony Ramine‏ @nokusu 27 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @danielagquinn @seanmonstar and

      It wouldn't.

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    4. Tshepang Lekhonkhobe‏ @tshepang_dev 27 Apr 2019
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      why?

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    5. Anthony Ramine‏ @nokusu 27 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @tshepang_dev @danielagquinn and

      IMO IRC is fixable, cf. IRCCloud's integration with Slack, where the client you use is just connected to a fancy IRCv3 server managed by IRCCloud. I'm sad we are not investing in IRCv3 instead of just switching off IRC.

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    6. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 27 Apr 2019
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      I think a major *protocol* problem with IRC is that it has the broken windows problem around harassment. People can be abusive and there's no way to clean that up. You just have to wait for it to go deep into scrollback.

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    7. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 27 Apr 2019
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      As IRC problems go this isn't too major, but it means that retroactive moderation isn't effective, and you need to have a much larger and more present mod team.

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    8. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 27 Apr 2019
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      (the reason it's a broken windows problem is that this stuff sticks around and then people start metadiscussing it, making it worse)

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    9. Anthony Ramine‏ @nokusu 27 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @ManishEarth @tshepang_dev and

      That’s the same with any platform. Any client side deletion only works because the client agrees to act on the server side deletions.

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    10. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 27 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @nokusu @tshepang_dev and

      Which is much easier when there's largely a single client that everyone uses (or a couple of clients that all do this) I'm not asking for technically perfect deletion, that's impossible. I'm asking for the vast majority of people to have a decent experience.

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      Sean McArthur‏ @seanmonstar 27 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @ManishEarth @nokusu and

      I want everyone to have a decent experience too! Super important! I also feel communication is so important we shouldn't give up on open standards and flock to a "winning" proprietary platform. It feels contrary to Mozilla's mission to improve the web for all.

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        2. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 27 Apr 2019
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          I don't think Mozilla has given up on that. Neither Slack nor Discord satisfy the constraints posed, iirc. I'm just skeptical that IRC or even IRCv3 can be "fixed" here

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        3. Sean McArthur‏ @seanmonstar 27 Apr 2019
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          But if it can, great, right? It seems important to try. And few other companies are in a position to do so.

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