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    1. Jonathan Wight ‏@schwa 6 Jul 2015 Berkeley, CA

      Wonder how many devs have the Xcode Command Line tools installed (xcode-select —install)

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    2. Rosyna Keller ‏@rosyna 6 Jul 2015

      @schwa They're not really something installed anymore. They are a bunch of stubs that use xcrun to run the real tools. if no Xcode, error.

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    3. Jonathan Wight ‏@schwa 6 Jul 2015 Berkeley, CA

      @rosyna That’s not quite true. CLI tools install files to /usr/include & lib for example.

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    4. Filipe Cabecinhas ‏@filcab 6 Jul 2015

      @schwa @rosyna Yup, old school UNIX software might rely on them.

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    5. Rosyna Keller ‏@rosyna 6 Jul 2015

      @filcab @schwa the older software should look in the correct place, since the compiler is always run with xcrun (/usr/bin/clang is wrapper)

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    6. Jonathan Wight ‏@schwa 6 Jul 2015 Berkeley, CA

      @rosyna @filcab Unfortunately I still encounter a lot of software that hits problems (just now python3 from brew) w/o CLI tools.

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    7. Rosyna Keller ‏@rosyna 6 Jul 2015

      @schwa @filcab ah, so a third-party package manager (brew) had issues with it?

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      Jonathan Wight ‏@schwa 6 Jul 2015

      @rosyna @filcab also seen issues with some python modules (lxml) too. Ended up filing bugs all over the place and told “not our problem”

      11:02 PM - 6 Jul 2015
      Berkeley, CA
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        1. Gwynne Raskind ‏@ameaijou 6 Jul 2015

          @schwa @rosyna @filcab Getting compilers and associated tools to be independent of the traditional UNIX path structure is brutally hard.

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        2. Jonathan Wight ‏@schwa 6 Jul 2015 Berkeley, CA

          @ameaijou @rosyna @filcab Yeah. The workarounds I ended up using helped me. But when I make tools for others to use it’s a pain…

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        1. Gwynne Raskind ‏@ameaijou 6 Jul 2015

          @schwa @rosyna @filcab Paths. Are Hardcoded. EVERYWHERE. And vendors can’t fix it because BC.

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        2. Rosyna Keller ‏@rosyna 6 Jul 2015

          @ameaijou @schwa @filcab But yeah, I'm not sure many people have ever used code-select —install

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        3. Jonathan Wight ‏@schwa 6 Jul 2015 Berkeley, CA

          @rosyna @ameaijou @filcab It’s a safe bet. The dev tools I was making at Twitter highlighted how few ppl had it installed.

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        1. Gwynne Raskind ‏@ameaijou 6 Jul 2015

          @schwa @rosyna @filcab It pretty much never works, no matter how many configuration switches and paths and env vars you screw with.

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        3. Rosyna Keller ‏@rosyna 6 Jul 2015

          @ameaijou @schwa @filcab I'm guessing it'll be even harder with rootless. (rootless bans some locations bad software uses like /bin/)

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        4. Gwynne Raskind ‏@ameaijou 6 Jul 2015

          @rosyna @schwa @filcab I mean, look at how many dirs even traditional LFS has: /bin, /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin, /opt/bin, all the /sbin’s…

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        6. Gwynne Raskind ‏@ameaijou 6 Jul 2015

          @rosyna @schwa @filcab And let’s not even talk about --sysroot and all its variants in Clang et al…

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        7. Filipe Cabecinhas ‏@filcab 6 Jul 2015

          @ameaijou @rosyna @schwa Yes. Let us not talk about anything that’s in ToolChains.cpp and friends. Which reminds me I have stuff to do there

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        8. Gwynne Raskind ‏@ameaijou 6 Jul 2015

          @filcab @rosyna @schwa I’ve discovered a rule - don’t build compilers using a non-/usr compiler as the build toolchain EVER.

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        9. Filipe Cabecinhas ‏@filcab 6 Jul 2015

          @ameaijou @rosyna @schwa ~/…/llvm-cmake works as expected. At least to build llvm et al. Had to do some juggling with one or two env vars…

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        10. Filipe Cabecinhas ‏@filcab 6 Jul 2015

          @ameaijou @rosyna @schwa … but it went *much* better than expected. Sanitizers were sub-par, but I think that’s fixed now. Especially since…

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