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    1. Eric Normand‏ @ericnormand 16 Dec 2017

      People are saying that “nothing new” is coming out of Clojure recently. That’s crazy! We’re still processing the vastness of spec, which was only announced last year. What lesson should we learn? We need to talk about what we do more.

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    2. Rafik NACCACHE‏ @turbopape 17 Dec 2017
      Replying to @ericnormand

      spec might be a fancier schema but it still is a validation library. I am not sure this is what I for one was expecting as new features for Clojure. The other new features are command line tools? I already could do that with leiningen if I'm not mistaken...

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    3. drew verlee‏ @drewverlee 17 Dec 2017
      Replying to @turbopape @ericnormand

      Spec does more than validations, if you haven't you should read the rational. If you have then I'm curious why you think it's just validations?

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    4. Rafik NACCACHE‏ @turbopape 17 Dec 2017
      Replying to @drewverlee @ericnormand

      no I haven't red the rationale but maybe I am using some wrong word. Isn't spec a lib to analyze structure and values of some data structure? isn't it like defining how you'd accept your data structure to be?

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    5. Aleš Roubíček‏ @alesroubicek 17 Dec 2017
      Replying to @turbopape @drewverlee @ericnormand

      Sure it is. Plus it is generator of data in that shape and profiler and generative test checker. Documentation tool and data destructuring library. The impact of Spec is high.

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    6. Rafik NACCACHE‏ @turbopape 17 Dec 2017
      Replying to @alesroubicek @drewverlee @ericnormand

      yeah but none of this is new nor absolutely high priority given for instance lack of decent error messages or the slow startup times. I mean the main pains of Clojure stayed basically at the same stage like two years ago.

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    7. Aleš Roubíček‏ @alesroubicek 17 Dec 2017
      Replying to @turbopape @drewverlee @ericnormand

      As do other langs/platforms. Everything is a matter of trade-offs. Problems Clojure solves are such more painful then those they are still here. I really don't care about friendliness to people who don't embrace the Clojure way of development.

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    8. Rafik NACCACHE‏ @turbopape 17 Dec 2017
      Replying to @alesroubicek @drewverlee @ericnormand

      I am also worried about the core team abandoning libs and focusing on the next big thing. Remember how each of core.logic transducers and core.async were all the rage than respectively got forgotten? I think async barely gets any commits lately, but spec is gonna change our lives

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      Simon Belak‏ @sbelak 17 Dec 2017
      Replying to @turbopape @alesroubicek and

      That's a fair point. I number of additions to CLJ don't seem to be developed to their full potential. Why don't all seq functions have a transducer version? Why you can't transduce multiple seqs at once, ...

      11:23 AM - 17 Dec 2017
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        2. Rafik NACCACHE‏ @turbopape 17 Dec 2017
          Replying to @sbelak @alesroubicek and

          I think Clojure should stop the "this is how we intend to manage it take it or leave it" rhetoric and embrace the community more openly. of course I it's their language and they're free with it but they must understand that this smells too close to arrogance

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        3. Aleš Roubíček‏ @alesroubicek 17 Dec 2017
          Replying to @turbopape @sbelak and

          Let me ask you a little question: Ho do YOU contribute to make things better? Are you demanding busy people who are solving hard industry problems to focus on your little issues? What is the reasoning behind this?

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        4. drew verlee‏ @drewverlee 18 Dec 2017
          Replying to @alesroubicek @turbopape and

          I think you would have a better chance communicating if your questions weren't so leading. I'm finding that I personally have to be very empathatic online otherwise it's easy to offend.

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