As an aside, I like the title “Software Justice Foundation”... but isn’t there a word for foundation that starts with W?? That would be PERFECT 
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software freedom is necessary but not sufficient to assure user autonomy and consent; to see it as an ends of its own or a moral issue in isolation IMO misses the bigger picture
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By focusing only on freedom you end up with "software is just a tool", "guns don't kill people", etc. There's a reason the French motto is "Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité" (I'm not sure how to exactly translate it, sorry). Already in 1790 they knew freedom alone wouldn't work
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"Liberty, equality, fraternity"
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Or maybe "freedom, fairness, friendship". I fear some subtleties will be lost in translation whatever I try
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So let's be more wordy about it. Not going to expand on freedom, we already know the upsides and downsides all too well, but let's see how the two others work to balance it
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In practical terms, does this mean I apply a license to my software that not only grants freedom but also specifies certain ways my software can’t be used to harm others?
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The jsmin license specifies that software covered by it can’t be used for evil. What constitutes evil is an open question. There’s no reason why evil couldn’t be replaced with particular activities or purposes. Whether or not that would deliver Justice is dependant on viewpoint.
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The "Do No Evil" license causes problems though because there's no legal definition, and people don't self apply the term evil all that often. The ambiguity makes it a really bad license. I'm not bashing the idea though, just this implementation.
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The Just Software Foundation it is
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Exactly, also "freedom" does NOT absolve you of the responsibilities that comes with it.
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I’d like to see how a license can be rewritten to embody those ideals. I think it’s easy to quantify “free” software and I am wondering how “justice” would be defined because it is in the eye of the beholder.
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I'm on board iff proprietary software is ineligible to be considered just software. If this is one of those "liking open source makes you a bad person" things that are so fashionable, no thanks.
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My sense is recommend reading the "Federalist Papers". "Justice is the end of government. It is the end of civil society. It ever has been and ever will be pursued until it be obtained, or until liberty be lost in the pursuit. "The Federalist Papers," No. 51
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Justice is an interesting term. My sense is "Justice" is often in the eye of the beholder. etymology: mid-12c., "the exercise of authority in vindication of right by assigning reward or punishment;" Good karma flying your way. :-)
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Freedom meanwhile can, and is often applied to justify actions. Thus, the freedom to act must be tempered in a civil society. Why? Justice and Freedom are complex topics, as is society's application of the terms. A Recommended Book "The Fourth Turning" by Strauss
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My sense is that one has to apply moral imperatives to the application of software to navigate the complexities of societal norms not rules. One has to defend as well push for change. Society requires structure to thrive. Morality evolves whilst laws tend to be fixed in place.
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Thus, the danger today is the erosion of moral imperatives. What is "right" and "wong". How does one create evil and inhumanity? Make immoral actions mundane. Thus, the imperative is focus upon "Injustice" not "Justice". Subtle. https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html …
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