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    1. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei Jan 30
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      Software patterns and their contexts, a thread:pic.twitter.com/WUKFvyapfi

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    2. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei Jan 30
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      When we talk about software patterns, we spend most of our time discussing the _technical_ contexts they make sense in. Building an API? Use the gateway pattern! Extracting functionality from a monolith? Use the strangler pattern! Etc etc etc.

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    3. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei Jan 30
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      In addition to its technical contexts, though, every pattern also has a set of _organizational_ contexts that it makes sense in - and these are usually implicit in our discussions.

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    4. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei Jan 30
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      But these organizational contexts are what separate use from overuse, when it comes to patterns. Ever work on a project where it felt like the team used the Gang of Four book like a checklist? That’s a team that misunderstood the appropriate organizational context for patterns.

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    5. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei Jan 30
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      Misjudging the appropriate organizational context for a pattern can be a lot more subtle, though. For example - no startup with all the engineers working together ever needs microservices.

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      Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei Jan 30
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      For the same reason, no small company should be using web components. They exist to solve big company organizational problems.

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        1. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei Jan 30
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          The same patterns apply, whether we’re talking about object-oriented design, service architectures, container orchestration, or refactoring entire systems. Technical contexts are fractal. But the _organizational_ contexts are different at every level of detail.

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        2. Brendan Baldwin‏ @usergenic Jan 30
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          This statemenr doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Web components have many use cases. Maybe you mean small companies shouldn't use them instead of what?

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        3. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei Jan 30
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          Big companies need isolated contexts around portions of a page because they have dozens or hundreds of teams that each own little bits of UI, & they all need to do their work without breaking other teams.

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        4. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei Jan 30
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          If you have one team doing all your UI, all those isolation boundaries are unneeded overhead.

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        5. Brendan Baldwin‏ @usergenic Jan 30
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          I get your premise, but the technology behind WC and the pattern of componentization is not bound to the multi-team paradigm. That's a little like saying OOP is overkill if you're doing everything by yourself; just use Pascal.

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        6. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei Jan 30
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          That’s kind of true tbh. A long procedure is better than the wrong set of small objects.

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        7. ernee‏ @ernestlv Jan 31
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          Procedures must be small and compact. Easy to read and reuse. That is what WC are all about. You may be a small company but overtime you may have many projects, where you want to reuse code.

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        8. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei Jan 31
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          You can do that in front end code without WC.

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        9. Brendan Baldwin‏ @usergenic Jan 31
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          I still feel what you're really saying is that most UI developers you know are more comfortable with other tools. Those comfortable with web components would still choose them where they find them useful, whether working completely alone or in a megacorp.

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        2. Ray Daly‏ @raydaly Jan 30
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          I'm a company of one and live web components.

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        3. Sarah Mei‏Verified account @sarahmei Jan 30
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          You’re making your life harder than it has to be then. Which as a company of one is totally your choice!

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        4. Ray Daly‏ @raydaly Jan 30
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          Maybe. I find maintenance is much easier. Your milage may vary.

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        1. Leonardo Graterol‏ @pankas87 Jan 30
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          I once had a discussion like this, it's really hard to explain to people whi hasn't been in both situation, small and large organizations; writing fire and forget code to reach the next milestone and writing code meant to last for years. Thank you for this thread! 👏

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        1. Matthew Walther‏ @mashiox Jan 30
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          100% this. It is going to be hard for many people to digest, but, all those additional layers of complexity only make it harder to build faster.

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        1. Brendan Baldwin‏ @usergenic Jan 30
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          They exist AFAICT to encapsulate behavior and rendering concerns, providing a more declarative and semantic representation of a UI component. This can bring great value to a project or company of any size.

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